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[–] • 9 pts

People who doubt or reject the existence of God need to realize that it is their own personal concept of God that is unbelievable, not God. If you have formed a concept of God's nature that strikes you as false or impossible, you have formed a faulty concept. You are rejecting something you yourself created.

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God is something you yourself created. Ridiculous word salad.

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Alternately, if you define God to mean something that exists, then God exists. Bam!

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I do not reject anything. I have simply not seen any evidence to suggest the thing exists in the first place.

As a general rule I do not default to believing all possible conceptualizations of every human being's imagination exist until proven otherwise. Instead, I generally do not accept those constructs until presented with evidence of their existence. That denies nothing.

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In general people lack proper arguments for what they believe. most people either point to their church leader and say they are right or scienceguy and say they are right because they dont want to go out on their own and make a choice of their own. A lot of people wear religion like a costume and wear 'spirituality' as a fashion accessory, i find this a lot with 'pagans' or 'wiccans' who lack any genuine spirituality but cover themselves with tattoos and bullshit symbols they dont understand just like faggots with chinese symbols. Same goes for christians for that matter who take the lords name for nothing more than vanity.

I think a reductionist version of the argument is: Do you believe in 'a creator that created reality on purpose from something' OR that 'there is no creator and we happened on accident from nothing?' One sounds reasonable, the other completely absurd. Theists attempt to understand the creator, why we were created and what purpose we have, atheists have nothing to contemplate. At the end of the day there is no creator revealing himself to us and answering these questions, so we are left putting the pieces together ourselves, often relying on the testimonies of people who say that they were spoken to and had the questions answered.

Frankly though i think anything is better than atheism, atheism is brain death.

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Atheism is just deifying the state etc.

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Only for the proles. Proletariat class needs to be given "good" & "bad". They are incapable of deciding these things on their own.

Higher functioning people don't need to pretend a make-believe invisible man in the sky is judging you based on some stone tablets that define "good" & "bad". Higher functioning people understand the logical fallacy that these stone tablets are the correct ones and the thousands of stone tablets that came before them are the wrong ones.

In short, religion exists for idiots. Most of the planet is filled with idiots, so yeah they need religion.

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Classic strawman argument. No one seriously believes that there is some “invisible man in the sky.” it is much more profound than that and anyone who believes in a creator knows this. And when it comes to your “stone tablets” strawman, he asked about faith, not religion. There is a huge benefit to faith. One of the most obvious and simplest forms is the fact that a placebo drug can work almost as effectively, if not as effectively, as a real drug simply because of belief. This can translate into many facets of life

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You're gonna have to be a bit more specific on what you're calling a strawman, chief.

You're playing semantic games, as your particular mental disability is oft to do, so lets be very clear.

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I thought I made it pretty clear. You are blatantly misrepresenting the subject matter at hand. He is asking about faith and your answers talking about invisible men in the sky and fighting over which stone tablet is correct. Any moderately intelligent person knows that faith/ belief and religion are two different things, and he even made the distinction between God and faith in his initial question.

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Yep, and that’s why all of the smart people in the world are fulfilled and happy. They have everything figured out.

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Typical low-IQ logical fallacy.

Nobody is happy, dude. The religious morons simply are unhappy together, while the higher functional people are unhappy by themselves.

Notice, I never called them smarter people - just higher functional people. You're the one who threw the extras in there, champ.

Room-temp IQ.

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Gosh look at me. I’m so dumb that I don’t understand when someone casts the words “idiot” “low functioning” and “low IQ” at someone that they are not referring to their cognitive abilities. Oh, please, great word smith, please castigate me further from beneath the brim of your mighty fedora. Please explain to me how I’m too simple minded to understand anything you’re espousing here. Because, obviously I’m just too dumb to even understand what you’re saying.

Yea, no, it certainly sounds like you have it all figured out. You seem very “high functioning”, and I’m so very impressed by your outlook on the world. No one’s happy? I’ve been wrong this entire time.

Well, it’sSunday. Guess I’ll just go hang out with some of my “room-temp IQ” friends and we’ll conspire to pretend to be happy together. after church, I might just invite a couple of them and their low-functioning families over for lunch.

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I’m unhappy with lots of friends. We also find things within life to be happy about. A good scotch. A good cigar. A fun game of chess. Retarded things our kids are doing.

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Do you believe in a creator that created reality on purpose from something or that there is no creator and we evolved on accident from nothing? Simple question.

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I believe we're all living in a simulation, and you have zero ability to prove that you didn't pop into existence a mere few seconds ago with all the previous memories being implanted in you.

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So you believe this reality was created by a creator for some purpose and the creator is a programmer. Helps to know where others stand. I don't see how that is really any different from theist beliefs. Any idea what the purpose this simulation has?

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I don't think the elites and upper class of society should be allowed to decide good or bad on their own. History has shown that they tend to choose poorly when they can get away with it, and everyone suffers when that happens.

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Ok. I don't think the elites should decide anything for anyone else, either.

Nobody should tell you what to do. We should all be free.

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Religion has always been for crowd control

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Buddhism?

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*Organized *religion.

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The bible is even against organized religion. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2018%3A20

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Not only in the structure of society, but in the general peace of mind of the people who practice it (Christianity anyway).

Personally, even if you could prove to me definitively that Jesus never existed*, I'd still follow him. The gospel fits so perfectly with my understanding of morality and justice that I couldn't ever turn away from it and be at peace with the world.

*obviously he's so well documented (even by his enemies) that that'd be impossible, but hypothetically

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Think about this -

Certain metals have anti-microbial properties. Back in the olden days, they didn't understand why, but they they knew that if you used cups and utensils made out of certain metals you didn't get sick. They also knew that if they convinced people to throw those metals into wells it would purify the water. So they made up the folklore of wishing wells.

You didn't need to believe the folklore to participate. You could do it because you knew that throwing certain metals into a well purifies the water. It's the same with many different traditions, folklore, and mythology.

Your question about God and religion only scratches the surface of the broader topics of traditions, folklore, mythology, and religion.

So answer the broader question - Is there value in traditions, folklore, mythology,..... and religion? Of course there is. Traditions, folklore, religion are made up excuses to do good things.

As for religion itself - It's a way to unite people under a bunch of morals, folklore, and traditions. And religion does center itself around morals against degeneracy. You can unite with those people against degeneracy.

Some religious people blindly believe the folklore and mythology because they're too stupid to figure out the reasons why the folklore and mythology exists. Others are religious because they understand why the folklore and mythology exists, and know that it's just folklore and mythology. Just like some people threw coins in a wishing well because they truly believed their wish would come true. Others threw coins in knowing it would purify the water, and just thought it was cute to make a wish as they did it.

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If you cannot be humble yourself to nothing, you are moved by pride, the worst sin of all that justifies them anything.

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What does this even say? Can you try putting that together to say something coherent?

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God is the most powerful being in the universe, creator of all. If you cant bow to Him, you are but a product of vanity and pride, and thus from there anything goes.

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Much better. Still fiction, but written better.

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without it, government becomes the ultimate authority. cant have that....

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Ridiculous argument. Turn it around.

"Without government, God becomes he ultimate authority.. can't have that."

Both are shitty opinions.

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where do you think our rights come from? i do not think they come from government.

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Serious question?

Our "rights" don't come from anyone. We take them, or someone else takes them from us.

Humans are very simple animals. Your monkey brain acts to convince my monkey brain that we compromise. Failing to do that, one of our monkey brains exerts violence on the other to force their "rights" on the other.

If you legitimately believe a magical, make-believe, invisible man in the sky gives you your rights.. well, you can't save everyone.

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Belief is manifested in this insanely ridiculous universe we exist in

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Honestly yes. I often think of the pragmatic use of religion from a non-religious viewpoint Even if god doesnt exist it is better to believe god exists then doesnt. If god doesnt exist then we have no spirit and there is absolutely no value in spiritual pursuits such as morality and things like honor. All that matters is debased materialistic self serving nonsense. Without god all that matters is that you pleasure yourself as much as you can to the detriment of everything around you. There is no value in holding yourself to a higher standard other than ensuring you can attain higher levels of pleasure such as working out to fuck hot babes.

Materialistic people are revolting, spiritual people are generally far stronger people regardless of religion or faith. In the Gulag archipelago Solzhenitsyn talks about how devout Christians were the hardest to break for the cheka (key word being devout, not the televangelist materialistic jewfags on tv) Even elderly ladies would refuse to name strangers simply because of their spiritual strength and faith. Without that you are left with an easy hedonistic question: let them hurt me, dont let them hurt me. Weak people like that were the ones backstabbing everyone under soviet control.

Faith is also an immense social tool to galvanize a population. Look how america lost its spirituality, now everyone is hedonistic and obsessed with their own pleasure and vanity. You couldnt trust any random american to defend you. Nobody talks politics because nobody shares spirituality with eachother.

The way jews overthrow countries is by eroding and destroying the spirit and replacing it with materialism and hedonism, which are the opposite of spirituality. Spirituality isnt some bullshit airy fairy nonsense either, it is just everything to do with non materialist things such as morals, culture, heritage, faith and honor. Those are all targets of jewish media. Just listen to any modern pop song, the message is generally something along the lines of 'time is short do what you want', its this fear of missing out that tricks people into degenerate lifestyles. Instant personal pleasure is better than building a nurturing environment for other people.

You could argue that the god people have faith in is incorrect or the interpretations are wrong but i dont think there is any argument for a non-spiritual society over a spiritual one.

I cant say who is right or wrong as far as religion goes, im learning all sorts day after day but i have some hunches. I know there is a lot more to my ancestors spirituality considering whites are the most spiritual people, evident by their morality and honor. The only thing blacks have for 'spirituality' is retarded superstitions, and jews are famously anti-spiritual caring so much about materialism where their entire religion is trying to work out how much sin they can get away with.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt (edited )

Agreed. I used to believe there wasn't, that superstitious/mythological beliefs were actually a hindrance to society.

I've come to understand that there is value in faith. Make no mistake, God very much doesn't exist, but the religion built around the concept serves as a container for the wisdom of civilization. The things we learned along the way and we know work. Discard religion completely and a lot of the wisdom is abandoned. Unfortunately, seems humans in general are incapable of behaving without some supernatural threat

Having said that, too much religion is just as bad as none at all.

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There was a movement among the protestants called the Social Gospel that tried to build "religion without the ritual".

It ultimately failed because without real faith, there's really nothing holding one to those beliefs other than their own sense of discipline.

The contrapositive of Proverbs 9:10 also explains why it failed.

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