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I had one today that barely understood the job he was recruiting for. Received the typical job description, but this one had a very specific list of requiements:

What you need for this position: Required: BS Electrical Engineering 3+ years vehicle radio requency electronic circuits Handle EMF and EMC requirements Knowledge of Design APQP requirements (e.g. DFMEA, DVP&R)

And so on...

I don't have some of these, and I'm not interested in the position as a whole due to location, work type, and not really interested in going back into the RF world. So I simply say "I don't have any of these requirements you client wants."

Pajeet argued with me that the client really doesn't want those, they just want RF skills, PCB design for RF, and "Aerospace Industry." Would not deviate from that. I have to wonder, is his "client" going to even look at a resume that doesn't have the skills they "require?" How do these places stay in business? Is it just sheer volume? I know what their client does and who it is, they are most certainly going to want what's on that list and more because it's their bread and butter.

I had one today that barely understood the job he was recruiting for. Received the typical job description, but this one had a very specific list of requiements: `What you need for this position: Required: BS Electrical Engineering 3+ years vehicle radio requency electronic circuits Handle EMF and EMC requirements Knowledge of Design APQP requirements (e.g. DFMEA, DVP&R)` And so on... I don't have some of these, and I'm not interested in the position as a whole due to location, work type, and not really interested in going back into the RF world. So I simply say "I don't have any of these requirements you client wants." Pajeet argued with me that the client really doesn't want those, they just want RF skills, PCB design for RF, and "Aerospace Industry." Would not deviate from that. I have to wonder, is his "client" going to even look at a resume that doesn't have the skills they "require?" How do these places stay in business? Is it just sheer volume? I know what their client does and who it is, they are most certainly going to want what's on that list and more because it's their bread and butter.

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I'm on the other side of the table (hiring engineers like you.)

I'm not stupid - I know that many of these recruiting firms are just looking for a placement bonus and don't give a rip if the employee is good or not. They don't care if the employee lasts a year. The recruiter is long gone.

As such, I only use Linkedin and Indeed for hiring / recruiting. It's cheap and - either way - I've got to do the leg work in vetting the candidate.

I used a recruiter once for a VERY niche skill senior position, but they were US based and had strong claw-back clauses in their contract that said they would give most of the money back if the employee was terminated / left for any reason within the 1st year. Was expensive, but they did a solid job finding / vetting candidates.

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I have to wonder how many of these guys actually have a contract with the hiring company. I'd suspect the answer is little to none, and talking with some people I know Who Should Know These Things seem to indicate that type of contact simply gets put in the "We have to keep this for 6 months" box.

But yeah, recruiters for certain things are not a problem. You want specialty? You call a specialist.

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how many of these guys actually have a contract with the hiring company. I'd suspect the answer is little to none

You are right about that. They are just searching job boards and company websites and then approaching companies after they have a stack of resumes in hand. Anytime, I get something goofy like that it's an immediate 'pass'.

Had one guy who wanted to recruit for us. We stupidly said 'yeah, sure, why not' as it wasn't exclusive (we here hitting up other direct channels). He then just turned around and spammed Linkedin with our job listing, but under his recruiting firm name. Our language / job description was unique. So, with his postings, we had multiple postings with the same obviously unique language ... making our legit job listing look like spam. We immediately told him to stop and to go away. He brought negative value to the table.