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When a person is truly converted it is from what the great puritan and reformed theologians termed "effectual calling" or irresistible grace.

A man's will is so corrupt and repelled by God and holiness that he cannot come to Christ and never will of his own volition. Men are "made willing in the day of His power."

This touches on a huge theological controversy down through the decades (centuries), Arminianism versus Calvinism.

One minister said that the subject, which is the sovereignty of God versus the responsibility of man, is like two earthly pillars that only meet in heaven. One has to accept both and allow that we can never fully understand the seemingly contradictory subject.

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A man's will is so corrupt and repelled by God and holiness that he cannot come to Christ and never will of his own volition.

It follows the that a man can't be blamed for lack of faith. Or that faithlessness and, by extension, damnation is willed by God.

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>It follows the that a man can't be blamed for lack of faith.

Yes, that is what would seem to follow logically according to our finite reasoning, but that is the argument and the 'contradiction.'

The scriptures still teach that man is responsible and will be blamed.

This is what Martin Luther's work "The Bondage of the Will" was about, that man is responsible exactly BECAUSE his will is corrupt and blind.

He wrote it centuries ago so the argument has been going on for a very long time.

The apostle Paul talked about man's arguments against it in the book of Romans (arguments like, well if I can't help myself, if I'm too blind and ignorant then I can't be held responsible - exactly what you said).

There are many good books on the subject. Like I said, one preacher I know said that these two things, the responsibility of man versus the sovereignty of God are two contradictory pillars on earth that meet only in heaven (and are only reconciled in heaven).

Finite man can only accept what God has revealed in the scriptures. Believe me, this has been argued, like I said, for centuries, and I do understand what you are saying about it.

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Thanks for the reading suggestions. Will check out the Martin Luther.

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It follows the that a man can't be blamed for lack of faith. Or that faithlessness and, by extension, damnation is willed by God.

Read Romans Ch 9

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Faith is irrelevant. You're part of the plan whether you like it or not.

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No. It's part of being human.

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For me, yes. The degeneracy and filth compounding in our world made me want to believe that God will save us from it. I was an atheist for 15 years.

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Seriously? You were an atheist and looking at >>The degeneracy and filth compounding in our world

and one day suddenly you thought that some imaginary sky fairy would save us from it? I'm calling BS on this one.

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I didn't say it happened overnight, and it wasn't a sudden realization. I've gradually become disgusted alongside becoming more spiritual. I side with Christians on the issues that matter, and I need faith in my life at this moment for my own reasons.

You sound very angry and divisive. I'll bet you start most arguments in your personal relationships and you don't get along with your family. You're not in the greatest shape which contributes to you feeling poorly.

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lol, you could not be further off. I am in great shape for my age and I feel great. I work out with my one of my kids weekly. I rarely have "arguments" in my personal relationships. My family is a wonderful orchestra of new families popping out babies and we get together for family dinner often. My family is the most important thing in the world to me and they come to me to talk when they have issues at work or with life or their relationships. I am blessed with their companionship.

Now let's do you, typical christian hypocrite projecting your inadequacies onto others. Pretty simple now wasn't it?

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Finally one answers the question. And thanks.

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Hebrews 11:1

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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

If you're going to post the verse just post the verse

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I gave up on that whole god game nonsense in my 20s. Hell the Jews aren't even the same Jews that tricked the Romans into killing Jesus. Today's Jews are some Khazar fuckers that took their place. Hell the Khazars probably killed off the original jews.

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What you wrote has nothing to do with God.

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Thanks for contributing nothing.

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No. The group that "...tricked the Romans into killing Jesus" weren't jews, they were pharisees. The "jew" in the bible isn't a pharisee or a turkroach, they're Judeans and (((intentionally))) mistranslated.

Hell the Khazars probably killed off the original jews.

The turkroaches are the original jews. They're still the same as they were then. Why people still believe these lies is uncomfortably painful to try and think about. None of this is confusing and it's all in plain sight.

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>No. The group that "...tricked the Romans into killing Jesus" weren't jews, they were pharisees.

Anticlutch BS number 9998765

They were sadducees you fucking ass, you can't even tell the difference, you bullshit windmill

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/people/who-were-the-sadducees-in-the-bible-what-were-their-beliefs.html

In first-century Israel, Sadducees were a religious faction that wielded societal power in nearly every aspect except military—and for that they had the backing of their Roman benefactors. These were the Jewish aristocrats of their day, known as much for their wealth and corruption as for their religious devotion.

Although we can’t know for certain the origins of their name, a common belief is that it was derived from the name of prominent Old Testament High Priest, Zadok (2 Samuel 15:23-29; 1 Kings 2:35). Role of Sadducees in the Bible

In Jesus’ time, Sadducees controlled the two most important institutions of Jewish society: The Jerusalem Temple (known as Herod’s Temple) and the Sanhedrin.

The Sanhedrin was the governing body for both religious and legal issues of the Jews. The leader of the Sanhedrin was a High Priest given king-like authority—and was almost always a Sadducee.

For instance, Annas and his son-in-law Caiaphas are two High Priests named in the New Testament (see Matthew 26:3 and Acts 4:6). Both were Sadducees—and both played critical roles in the execution of Jesus.

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None of this is confusing? You're being disingenuous, it is very confusing, and very controversial, why would you say that?

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Are you maybe an evolutionist, where did we come from, were we not created?

Just asking.

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Indeed, but how would the bit about the Khazarians make the whole God game nonsense? Internet people will make everything about these satanic Jews but then say it has nothing to do with God...

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Faith is not a choice. Belief is not a choice. Truth is not a choice.

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God gave free will to all, you have a choice in everything even in having faith... The thing with faith, if you can truly get "unshakable faith" and a little "holy spirit" to help guide you on the right path your in a better place than most... Those with faith know everything they attempt is vanity and will not last... fear not those who can only kill the body, Fear him who can kill the body and the spirit...

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No. Faith in chaos, faith in inversion, faith in the unholy, that’s the choice. A terrible and ill-fated choice.

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Yes but don’t just let Jesus take the wheel. control the things you can leave the rest to god.

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I dont think so. I cant will myself to believe something i dont. Which isnt to say i automatically have a firm disbelief either. Theres a difference between wanting something to be true, and feeling that it is. Neither of which is the same as knowing.

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