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What we see, over and over, in US elections is a mysterious and large influx of "found" votes that come in in the small hours of the morning to flip a race (typically towards a Dem candidate).

This seems to happen when those rigging the vote can see the progress of the count and then determine how many "votes" they will need to "find" to get their desired result. To prevent this, rather than counting the votes for each candidate as the night progresses, all votes should just be counted (a total number of votes). Only once there are no more votes to be "found" should the actual tabulation of votes for each candidate begin. Once that point has been reached, there can be no additional votes added, and the total votes can be checked against the expected total number of votes. This approach does not require trust from any one party. Obviously, there would be issues such as invalid ballots, or miscounting (deliberate or accidental) that would still need to be taken into account, but the possibility of several hundred thousand votes, falling 95% to one candidate, being "found" at 3am is removed.

Alternatively, and possibly more simply, the cutoff for mail in ballots must be before in person voting even starts. Then you know the number of mail in ballots (which remain uncounted for the candidates until after voting has finished). You can also quite easily keep a count of in person votes, so at the end of in person voting, you have a total number of votes and the possibility of additional votes being added is removed.

Another measure that might help could be a form of voir dire for all poll workers, who are selected through sortition (like jury duty). Any who have a specific party affiliation, or who have worked on a political campaign would be excluded. Partisan people should not be counting votes, they cannot be trusted.

There are practical measures that could easily be taken that would not impact significantly on the cost or time required to conduct an election, but would significantly improve the integrity of the results. Whatever measures are put in place, they should always be based on zero trust on any party involved. Neither party seems willing to do anything like this, though the Dems would fight it to the death.

What we see, over and over, in US elections is a mysterious and large influx of "found" votes that come in in the small hours of the morning to flip a race (typically towards a Dem candidate). This seems to happen when those rigging the vote can see the progress of the count and then determine how many "votes" they will need to "find" to get their desired result. To prevent this, rather than counting the votes for each candidate as the night progresses, all votes should just be counted (a total number of votes). Only once there are no more votes to be "found" should the actual tabulation of votes for each candidate begin. Once that point has been reached, there can be no additional votes added, and the total votes can be checked against the expected total number of votes. This approach does not require trust from any one party. Obviously, there would be issues such as invalid ballots, or miscounting (deliberate or accidental) that would still need to be taken into account, but the possibility of several hundred thousand votes, falling 95% to one candidate, being "found" at 3am is removed. Alternatively, and possibly more simply, the cutoff for mail in ballots must be before in person voting even starts. Then you know the number of mail in ballots (which remain uncounted for the candidates until after voting has finished). You can also quite easily keep a count of in person votes, so at the end of in person voting, you have a total number of votes and the possibility of additional votes being added is removed. Another measure that might help could be a form of voir dire for all poll workers, who are selected through sortition (like jury duty). Any who have a specific party affiliation, or who have worked on a political campaign would be excluded. Partisan people should not be counting votes, they cannot be trusted. There are practical measures that could easily be taken that would not impact significantly on the cost or time required to conduct an election, but would significantly improve the integrity of the results. Whatever measures are put in place, they should always be based on zero trust on any party involved. Neither party seems willing to do anything like this, though the Dems would fight it to the death.

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For every election a voter must register for a new unique ID number. The person can vote only with that number and an electronic record will be created including the time, date, and location where the ballot was cast and a full record of that ballot. You should be able to punch in your unique ID online and verify that the electronic record (including who or what you voted for) is correct. Anyone who wants to audit should be able to review a master list of valid ID numbers for a given precinct, punch in those numbers, and tally the results for themselves.

Brief brainstorming there, so surely there are attacks I haven't considered. But I think it is essential that there is a record of each vote. Otherwise you're kind of throwing a ballot into a box and hoping it gets noticed.

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How do you know your vote was counted, and counted correctly? How do you know that there aren't a bunch of fraudulent votes?

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Paper ballots with Voter ID.

Stop using Dominion Votong and affiliates.

Make all votes public for the ability to review.

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Also voting on one day, and you have to vote at a particular location, as it used to be. Then there is only one site where your vote could exist. No need for computers.

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And alternative rank voting. This is a requirement to dethrone the power of political parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

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I think there might be a way around this problem but even it likely could be rigged as well.

1) On Jan 1st, PURGE all the voter rolls. Everyone who wants to vote in that year must register. Say Registration Season is Jan 2 to March 31. Typically no elections happen in that time frame.

2) Only people who paid NET into the Federal income tax system in the prior year can vote. So no more of these degenerates filling out a tax return on jan 2 and getting $10,000 from the government for not working. They don't get to vote. You want the right to vote, you invest in the system with your taxes. Period.

3) Voter ID strictly enforced. Anyone voting who shouldn't be gets sent to a work camp. Second offense is execution.

4) Repeal 26th amendment. No one under 25 should be voting. Brain doesn't stop developing until that age. Everyone under the age of 25 is a dumbass. Prove me wrong.

5) Active service military CANNOT vote. When you sign the dotted line to enlist, you are waiving essentially the rights under the Bill of Rights. Besides, voting for the Commander in Chief is a conflict of interest. Also, those with active employment with any alphabet agency (CIA, FBI, etc) are not eligible to vote. Neither are felons.

6) Speaking of the military, guess who gets TWO votes? Yep. Those whom have served and were honorable discharged.

7) ..and who will be counting the votes (at least in Federal elections)? If you said the military you'd again be correct. The military operates under the Judge Advocate General system and you don't fuck around with those people.

8) All voting is to be done ON SITE. The only exception will be the elderly and infirmed whose aliment does not allow easy movement but are still of sound mind. Military units assigned to voting detail will travel to those locations.

Of course my idea is a working idea where the bugs need to be ironed out, but this is the general model of what needs to be done to fix this shit.

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guess who doesn't pay in "net" the elderly / retired / disability. So no worries about them see number 8. By your own rules they get no say, which might be fine.

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I hadn't thought much about retired persons. They should be allowed to vote but figuring out who worked all their lives and retired vs a lifetime welfare parasite and now they are "retired" might require research on the backend.

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Neither party seems willing to do anything like this

Because the uniparty (Dem/GOPe) work together to ride roughshod over all of us, giving us an illusion of choice as they drive us incrementally toward communism Obvious example of the uniparty - Liz Cheney.

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Just use https://followmyvote.com/blockchain-technology/ type system. But then it's transparent and open and honest.... Literally every eligible person can run a full node on a phone or PC and vote from home. Fully verifiable. No bullshit. Anyone can check it's validity.

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Specifically, using blockchain tech to implement the Zero Knowledge Proof algorithm.

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Instead we have obese jews doing fake math. That is the alternative for all the blockchain haters out there.

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Math is a No-Bullshit-Zone. Can't Jew their way through.

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Unless 90% of the population understand how it works it'll never be implemented. Therefore it'll never be implemented

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For sure. This is absolutely the case.

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Well, exiting polling can be effective. You have some neutral parties checking what people say they voted vs the results. If there is an unusual discrepancy the vote is declared void.

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Already your ideas too complicated and will fail miserably. what maybe they should do, at least part of your statement is is right, you don't count any votes until 8:00 p.m. and they have till 12:00 to count all the votes. Maybe get national guard people to watch the vote counters count so there can't be any shenanigans.

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Only give land owning white men the right to vote. Boom problem fixed

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physical ballots, armed guards, ceremony the armed guards be given reverence for diligently guarding the ballots, each voting location offers a guard to follow their batch of ballots and these guards stay with the ballots until counting has finished then the take their ballots back with them to be stored, ballots are counted thrice, once when they leave the voting center under watch of guard, and only the number of ballots are counted not their contents, the ballots are taken to central location to be counted as a whole and, then once this process ends the ballots are returned to the original polling place and counted again. Discrepancies are logged and reported and must be investigated 9 months before the next elections. The ballot guards march in the thanksgiving parades.

Photo ID is required to vote, no mail in ballots, excepting the military on deployment, a civics quiz that the participant is required to get 4/5 questions correct to receive a ballot, no drop boxes, we do the finger in ink dip thing. National holiday, no early voting.

Only allowing white men age 24 and up to vote would be ideal.

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There are relatively easy encryption methods to build a database that anyone could access that has all the information of everyone who voted, except for their votes. So it could be easily audited. But each person would have a key that they could use to verify their votes. It could be built open source and easily verified.

It'll never happen though, both sides hate the idea.

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