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In our conversations around the campfire about what plant-based (dmt psychedelics) medicine healing is i notice he was very defensive of the practice and would not entertain anything other than absolute seriousness regarding his field of work. i tend to think it's all snake oil salesman bullshit. to be honest i don't really believe in any type of self-help or psychiatric help. what say you chaps and chapettes?

In our conversations around the campfire about what plant-based (dmt psychedelics) medicine healing is i notice he was very defensive of the practice and would not entertain anything other than absolute seriousness regarding his field of work. i tend to think it's all snake oil salesman bullshit. to be honest i don't really believe in any type of self-help or psychiatric help. what say you chaps and chapettes?

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[–] • 3 pts

Drug fiends will get very defensive if you question their motives

[–] • 2 pts

I kept bringing up alternative non-drug ways to experience different levels of awareness and he immediately shot them down using some faggot buzzword stuff. To me he seemed like an ego driven drug dealer for the rich. alternative Prozac pusher if you will.

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

Money has corrupted heath care so there is no "official" way to actually help people. There are plenty of inexpensive natural and pharmaceutical medicines that work and are not used/promoted by the the main stream jew run Healthcare system, because they are typical greedy jews. If someone is overly defensive about something then they probably have something to hide.

[–] • 0 pt

Well that's an interesting point. Had something to hide. well I just thought it was kind of disingenuous because that type of potioning if you will was only for elite people because I know thrse type of Ayahuasca ceremonies are not cheap. You could be looking anywhere from $200 to $1,000 to have some guy hold your hand while you're throwing up on yourself, shitting and seeing bird angels flying around your head. I just think it's an elitist exercise and only they get to enjoy this different medicine, just calling in medicine and itself is fucking gay to be honest. Imagine if Jovan from Texarkana took this? It would probably make him worse than he is but what if it didn't. What if it actually broke his inbreeding and made him more than just a useless idiot. Imagine if this became medicine for the masses if you will not just for the 1%, okay to be fair 10%.

[–] • 1 pt

I have personally found it helpful for behavioral and thought modification. It helped cure depression for me.

[–] • 0 pt

How did it help and why did it help if you don't mind sharing non-personals. Could you have gotten that way by just thinking about life differently?

[–] • 0 pt

Something about psychedelics causes pretty intense introspection. Removes any barriers you may have unconsciously set up in your mind. Think of the "elephant tied to a stick with a string" analogy. Some things are so common and natural to think about, and psychedelics can shake that up. I've never had any hallucinations on psychedelics either, just shifts in perception. High quality and life changing experiences, that last months to years even.

Why is it / was it a super intense crime to grow mushrooms, make LSD, etc? Yet fentanyl is everywhere now. Why aren't there "mushroom addicts" like there are alcoholics or prescription addicts?

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Not that I totally disagree with you, but I think psychedelics should be of concern given the US governments long standing interest in them. I mean they took a bunch of riled up college kids who were ready for cultural revolution and turned them into drug warped hippies who became pacifists, followed by the sexual revolution and the destruction of the family. As someone who has personally gone down this road, I think they government uses its illicit status to breed taboo as a means to on-ramp the younger generations to the program.

[–] • 0 pt

I remember as an 18-year-old taking LSD for the first time. The visuals were beyond insane and the self-reflection was just as intense. The trip lasted for a total of 24 hours. Go deep or go home I guess right. I felt a change in my persona and perceptions. It didn't really last but it lasted long enough to make me questioned everything that was around me. Whether good or bad it made me question everything.

[–] • 0 pt

I was stuck in the same thoughts and actions day after day and even after the actions stopped the thought patterns and circular thinking remained. Psychedelics helped me to break away from them and get over the death of a loved one. I'm sure it could have eventually been resolved with living and time.

[–] • 0 pt

Interesting, circular patterns. I think we can all say we've experienced this in our personal psyche. Or maybe not, I know I can say I have. I do wonder if there's a way to break out of these patterns without the use of medicine like you say with time. It heals all wounds but sometimes time takes too long and maybe this medicine is a gift from God to help us move faster to heal and move forward in life, recharged and productive once more. This might sound kind of out there but maybe this medicine could be the Holy Spirit of sorts.

[–] • 1 pt

There are "plant based" remedies that work. I don't know about DMT or any of that bullshit though, anything psychological is bullshit to begin with. People with mental problesm should probably just be thrown in a volcano or shipped to Apefrica to fight niggers or something.

But various plant based remedies that actually work do exist. I mean obviously you aren't going to get the same effect from a pharmaceutical antibiotic from some herbs or whatever but for certain types of shit things do exist that are effective.

As a mild example, our dog had a bad skin reaction from the rabies vaccine (only gave it to him that once) that caused him to lose hair on his back and his ears and lose skin on the edges of his ears. My wife cured this problem with a mix of different types of essential oils (I know I know, but we're talking shit like mint oil and whatever that has a mild anti-microbial effect) and got our dog's hair to grow back. So some shit actually works. But it's mild affect, it's not going to fucking grow your leg back.

[–] • 1 pt

Well no obviously there's traditional medicine for headaches and blood pressure and dilation. I'm talking about more of the hocus pocus new age bullshit. I'm taking extra strength Excedrin right now for a pinched nerve. I could get shot by a gun and I wouldn't feel it, thats how juiced up on caffeine I am right now.

[–] • 1 pt

Ideally, you don’t need any of that shit. But it’s kind of like everything else, there’s some good and some bad to be taken into account. I think they’ve been pushing the DMT shit trying to trick people into believing they’re seeing God or having this transcendent experiences which breaks the veil of reality, sometimes not for the better. Eventually they’ll have you believe in their AI god or some fake alien shit NWO cult religion. That’s why it’s popular amongst Silicon Valley types and burning man types. The people who do this stuff, I was one, are truly religious about it, it’s very cultish and most of them lack any deeper introspection or critical thought into psychedelics place in the current day and age.

[–] • 1 pt

Interesting, just another religion. I can see that. The way this guy was acting he had such a castle built around it. So serious. And I started asking about well what did The originators use it for and he wouldn't really tell me he said every culture that has used this has found its own way with it. I mean I've heard rumors that when you take ayahuasca and you're in the jungle you can communicate with the animals in the trees and everything in between. That to me would be more enjoyable than trying to figure out why Uncle Ricky touched my penis when I was six.

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

Yeah it’s been an interesting twist to see those types of people morph from free loving hippies, to liberal tyrants rife with self censorship and the need to censor others for anything that offends their preferences. Had a falling out with a friend who is similar to what you’re describing. All I said was “gays like to ride bikes.” It completely triggered his vegan/woke/cult mind. He had a total meltdown and went on this rant about some faggot shit, unfortunately I don’t think we’re friends anymore. Probably for the better.

[–] • 0 pt

I have a friend like that. Kind of a retard but we usually talk about every other year. He freaked out because he thought I was in the January 6th riots. I thought that was kind of funny seeing that week I was actually at a hot spring. And I also told him I said you know we can be friends and think different politically. amazing how that works if you just put the effort into it. He didn't really know how to register that one. it is interesting though how liberals deal in absolutes. They just don't seem to have a gray area.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

These quacks routinely describe recreational drugs as medicine as an excuse to get high. They cure everything from being tired when you wake up, to low blinker fluid in your car.

Not saying there aren't any plants that have medicinal qualities, there are plenty of proven plant-based remedies out there. But also plenty are schemes intended to normalize and destigmatize illicit drug use.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

As someone who has used all this stuff for all these reasons, you are correct. In the end all it did was teach me that I’m a highly functioning drug addict, a drug addict nonetheless. It’s still up to me to figure out how to get over these addictions, it didn’t take anything from me, just made me aware of it.

[–] • 0 pt

I can see that. Have a bad day at work drink some ayahuasca. Fight with your wife lick a DMT toad.

[–] • 0 pt

When I was in college I knew guys that would get completely high out of their minds and go take a test or go write a paper and they did really well. I always wondered what if they didn't use pot and did these things would they be better at school and thought? But I guess certain pot strains and potencies do different things to different people. So XYZ pot would wipe me out but it would make Billy over there paint like one of the classic artists.

[–] • 0 pt

Plant based medicine helped a relative of mine evade death from mesothelioma for 6+ years after the doctor told him he had 6 months left.

I think it can help, but not cure terminal cases.

[–] • 0 pt

Will you explain a little bit more in depth without revealing too much about his personal info?

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[–] • 0 pt

I think plant based psychedelics could be useful in treating PTSD and related disorders.

[–] • 1 pt

Brought to you by Pfizer?

[–] • 0 pt

I glow brighter than a lighthouse yo

[–] • 1 pt

But how can they do that versus talking about it in depth in a sober environment. How does something like a DMT trip stick with the body that much to bend that disfunctional line straight if you will.

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

I think the psychedelic plant treatment would be just one part of it , along with competent talk therapy. I have heard of people who take Ayuhuasca just once and are supposedly " cured " of PTSD ,drug addiction or crippling anxiety or depression , but idk how that plays out over the long term , 10+years say. Not saying it's impossible , but I have doubts about a one and done scenario.

[–] • 1 pt

I would say most things need a tune-up, including medicines. when I did psychedelics and ketamine when I was younger I remember the trips mostly but as far as the long-term effects of it changing my outlooks on things I would say that's not the case anymore. so to your point a tune up would be necessary maybe once every five years, something like that.

[–] • 0 pt

Dr sabie could cure anything naturally. They killed him for it

[–] • 1 pt

Never heard of them

[–] • 0 pt

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xz1x7EWgE_o

Got sued and proved in court that he could heal cancer, aids, hepitius, etc. With nothing but herbs. They killed him

[–] • 0 pt

Oh those frequency people, good grief. Wasn't one of those guys the guy that used to jerk off dolphins?