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I know it is pleasurable to most , but why do humans seem to have a desire or drive to be intoxicated ?

I know it is pleasurable to most , but why do humans seem to have a desire or drive to be intoxicated ?

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[–] • 14 pts (edited )

It helps me become more myopic.

For some people alchohol is the source of many of their problems. I have been told before that alchohol is the source of many of my problems. I have successfully quit drinking for a few extended periods, and it made absolutely nothing better. It indeed made everything worse.

I have been told that I need to seek professional help from a psychiatrist or therapist. I have done so I in the past. They have offered me nothing but mind-numbing drugs, and, every therapist i talk to I just end up depressing.

There is a certain aspect of reality that I can see very clearly at all moments in time when I am sober. This is a universal aspect of reality that is always there, and once you know it, you can't unknow it.

But if I drink enough I can focus on writing a silly little poem or short story, and, for just a moment, I can forget.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

This really spoke to me.

Society has no problem with drugging People to produce desired behaviour, or prevent undesired behavior.

And since society is often wrong, or of mixed opinion of what is desirable this produces the clown world.

If you don't love the elementary/high school environment, this is proof of a chemical deficiency, which should be rectified with ritalin. School is treated as a fun, rewarding experience, and failing to have that experience is a disease that society drugs.

Same with being happy to goto work. If you tell the counselor the exact truth about how it's a source of income only, that's proof of a negative attitude. NORMAL people must report a positive attitude towards such things. Or be diagnosed as having a disease, that is "cured" by assorted drugs. Usually SSRI

But if you smoke weed to help with how much work sucks, that's bad. Pfizer and Merck didn't profit, and more importantly, your government neither approved, nor profited. Off to Coventry with you, and jail if we can.

Society doesn't know it's ass from its elbow when it comes to work or happiness, and you should often reconsider following advice from someone who's life you wouldn't wanna replicate.

The man wouldn't put as much effort into telling you lies about drugs, if there was enough Truth to justify abstinence.

The fact that you have described having the self control to abstain and evaluate your life is proof of this.

[–] • 1 pt

“I can’t tell if you’re buzzed or if you’re sober”

That’s because I don’t act different, I just think less.

[–] • 1 pt

Was in a somewhat similar similar boat, was doing quite well actually. Got super sick (unrelated to alcohol), lost my job then proceed to go off the deep end and became a hardcore alcoholic for abit. Quit cold turkey like a retard and ended up in the hospital. Be careful friend.

[–] • 1 pt

Thanks Friend.

I appreciate your thoughts and advice on this subject.

But my problem is more with reality itself.

Alchohol is a beverage I drink to dim my own view of reality.

If I view reality when entirety sober, I see things I don't want to see.

Grand Vistas of Existence and every Creature of Creation suffering despite not actually requesting to Exist.

There is no justification.

I am sick.

But so is this World.

And I thank you for your thoughts.

[–] • 1 pt

The world sucks, I agree but, there is also some awesomeness. I don't have a solution for you (not even sure if I have one for myself), just worried your a bad event or two from falling off like I did.

[–] • 1 pt

I've detoxed once in a hospital, but I've detoxed twice randomly. I never ended up in the hospital again though.

[–] • 0 pt

Sorry to hear about the detox but super glad your determined not to do it again. I'm determined as well.

[–] • 9 pts

Studies have shown that in positive, healthy environments people don’t seek out mind altering substances, or at least they do at an extremely reduced level. The Jew has sucked the meaning out of existence in the western world. Drugs/ alcohol are a temporary substitute for that kind of meaning or purpose

[–] • 3 pts

I think this definitely has merit

[–] • 0 pt

One track mind you've got there. Spirits have a history as old as humans. I don't suppose you've actually looked into any of that though, cuz you can just say "JOOS" and get upvotes.

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

the two scenarios are extremely different. Yes we’ve had spirits. Yes there was people who abused them. But for you to say it is comparable to now is pretty ignorant. We’re having thousands of people each week(or day!) die from overdoses. I wasn’t referring to Jews being the ones that caused all spirits to exist. I’m saying that they have stripped the meaning out of peoples lives where now healthy happy kids are overdosing on drugs instead of living their lives. They’re nodded out on street corners. They’re partying and doing molly and things they know completely wreck their bodies and brains. How is that comparable to spirits of the past? The opium dens? A market fueled by Jews by the way.

fill in the blanks about how you think meaning has been stripped from peoples lives. But look at the music, the movies, the changing society around you, the electronics, the screens, the level of comfort and therefore Immobility. Everything is designed to increase as much dopamine as possible and form you into a consuming idiot if you’re not careful. A lot of people fall for this trap. When you don’t have meaning in your life you are likely to try to find it where it don’t belong

[–] • 0 pt

I guess we just approached this open question in completely different ways. Since the question was "enjoy", I never would have associated the topic with opium or molly or the other things you mentioned, as I think anyone who claims to enjoy those things is lying to themselves.

[–] • 5 pts

It is a drive. Animals have it too. I first read this book 25 years ago, highly recommended https://www.amazon.com/Intoxication-Universal-Drive-Mind-Altering-Substances/dp/1594770697

[–] • 1 pt

Interesting find, thank you, gonna check this out.

[–] • 4 pts

Consciousness can be a heavy burden that other animals don't carry. It has allowed civilization but it is often unpleasant. All religions are an attempt to help humans survive it.

[–] • 4 pts

Escape from feelings and reality

[–] • 3 pts

For some it dulls the worries about reality. And for some it breaks down inhibitions amd helps them lower their guard.

[–] • 2 pts

Because life sucks.

That’s really the short answer. A number of people have penned eloquent explanations which are right on point. But it boils down to because life sucks.

[–] • 2 pts (edited )

Certainty, a false feeling of control, and no coping skills.

That mindset is: Without substances and/or any skills how to work through life issues, who knows how we’ll feel? We’ll be adrift and at the mercy of the storm of our wild minds.

We take substances because we know how those substances will make us feel, “I can either let my demons beat the shit out of me or I can instantly make them go away” by self-medicating.

Unfortunately, in that state, ingesting substances doesn’t seem crazy, it seems logical.

[–] • 2 pts (edited )

Well they seek the effect of course

What's the effect of alcohol? The more you take, the less lucid you become, that's what you get

People who get shit faced are looking for just that. Now maybe they're too lucid/realist for their own sake, so they compensate like that, by distancing themselves/escape from a shitty reality through loss of lucidity. Or maybe they aren't objective, and tend to see their reality in a way that is darker than it actually is, it doesn't really matter, they still need to drink for the exact same reason in the end

Now you also have people killing themselves with drugs, slowly, it's a way to get attention, to scream for help somehow

There is no single easy answer. That being said, drugs are an escape plan essentially

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