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[–] • 9 pts

I can watch a movie that I've seen before, but that doesn't mean I played a part in the production.

God is outside of time, he is the Alpha and the Omega. He already knows how this movie ends.

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If you've already seen the movie you should also know the ending

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so free will could be defined as our limited number of choices always leading to the same culminating end? is that really free will? i suppose it is OUR choices of the limited number

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Simple. An Animal still has 'free will' according to it's Natural instincts, even or despite of living on a Large African Wildlife savanna reserve. We exert our Free will on this Earthy realm. Which We can not physically leave.

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Unless you're crazy and your decisions have nothing to do with circumstances, why wouldn't you make the same choices given the same circumstances? God would know all the circumstances, so wouldn't be surprised by anyone's decisions. Free-will involves perception of what is and choosing what you think will best meet your goals. None of those is unpredictable.

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Just by turning right out of your driveway instead of left alters your future. That was your choice, God had nothing to do with it. But I believe it is deeper than that. It's not about the daily trappings of this world.

When God speaks of free will, I believe he is speaking of whether or not we freely choose to love him and accept him in to our heart. God doesn't follow us around like some stalker begging us to love him, that would not be true love. He gives us free will to love him or reject him.

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No. You lack serious understanding of logic if you think what you assert is true. You also lack the ability to view Faith as what it is. You sound like you're posting a (((gotcha))) post as though it matters. There's more truth behind Faith than there is truth behind science. Science lacks all understand and capability to explain in part or whole the beginnings of things and ends of things.

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not really, i just figured could have an actual discussion. my point of view isnt slightly changed from what you said, there is no depth. also this was not about gotcha i legitimately would like to discuss this, in my philosophy it seems contradictory edit: replied before i observed your edit

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Because FAITH supersedes laws of physics 'because' that's what FAITH means. Logic, proofs etc. have no place in discussions of Faith and as I stated: they always feel forced, jewish and in bad... faith. These are questions an 8 year old boy has when he doesn't want to go to Christmas Mass with the family.

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If you truly believe faith always supercedes laws of physics I have a 100ft balcony for you to jump from. 😂

Philosophy is much broader than just faith or logic.

Logic and faith always have a place in discussion and anyone saying otherwise is biased and driven by either's agenda more than the other.

If you go full retard for anti-logic you get a flat earther that thinks the sun works as a spotlight because Nuclear Fusion is a concept beyond their understanding.

If you go full retard for anti-faith you get our modern Sodom & Gomorrah because believing morals and believing in goodness as a remedy for degeneracy is a concept beyond their understanding.

Truth only comes when you can reconcile the whole coin without engaging in infantile competition betwixt their two extremes. The worlds greatest scientists and philosophers tend to share a balanced and mature outlook on such discussion rather than arguments of "MUH SCIENCE, MUH FAITH, MUH LOGIC, MUH BELIEF".

Leave those shit-tier arguments to the masses if you'd like to improve. After all blind belief in science is bad faith & using logic to come to the conclusion that there's something beyond our understanding that lies at the beginning & end of everything we know is just sound logic.

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not everyone went to church, experiencing faith late in life may make you look stupid or a shill to others does not negate the desire to learn

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Then faith is for idiots who prefer to be told "just so" stories rather than have their daddies confess that they just plain don't know the answer to every question.

Sometimes the beginning of wisdom is to answer "I don't know. Maybe there's some way to find out..."

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It is because we are different than the rest of God's creation. Where it is very easy to derive the motivations and movements of an animal, humans are a spark of the divine. They can reason and contemplate their own existence. They can restrain themselves against their tendencies. We have obvious free will derived from God.

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The universe responds to your thoughts. You live many lives. God may have created the universe but there is no involvement of any god in your daily life. What people mistake as their god helping them is actually the universe responding to your emotions. Everything you do good or bad comes back to you in this life or the next.

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Everything you do good or bad comes back to you

That sounds a lot like "karma", which IMO is just weaklings excuse for not standing up for themselves.

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Belief that God has predestined your fate is called Calvinism.

Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes was named after Calvin of Calvinism. Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes seems predestined to get into trouble. I don't know what I'm doing.

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Fate and destiny are too different things. You can Usually change your fate but harder to change your destiny.

Earth is destined to revolve around the sun. We know where the earth will be in 6 months. That’s earths destiny. Earths fate could be decided by meteor before those 6 months pass. That’s earths fate.

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I fucking love this site

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Because God doesn't force our wills, even if he knows what path we'll take, he doesn't decide for us. That's free will.

Besides, all things come to an end, this is true for everything, it's not so much it being predestined but rather the natural flow of things.

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The fact that Free Will may exist indicates a couple of things.

We may have been issued Free Will as a form of entertainment for an all powerful deity. Having unlimited power and control over everything strikes me as being quite boring. Better to assign random attributes to random objects and limit your own power, just to watch things play out.

A benevolent omniscient and omnipotent God cannot exist. Allowing entities with Free Will to commit Evil acts is tantamount to being Evil. I have personally viewed Evil, so I know with a certainty that there is no Good God that is both all powerful and all knowing.

What I really suspect is that Good and Evil are an overrated dichotomy.

I think the true battle is between change and stasis, organization and entropy, Poetry and Tik Tok videos.

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