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And as a secondary question, what happens when the chinks control all of the foundries that we should have had at home.

I hate to say it lads but somehow we seriously fucked up.

And as a secondary question, what happens when the chinks control all of the foundries that we should have had at home. I hate to say it lads but somehow we seriously fucked up.

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Uh, Europeans did NOT invent the semiconductor, AMERICANS did. It's an important distinction. The market in the US is what allowed the commercialization of them. Not like it is now though...

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Of course it was Americans who did the thing but in a Global conflict distinctions matter. It wasn't gooks or niggers or spicks or whomever it was a White man who came up with the concept. All White men come from Europe and the transistor was most very certifiably a European invention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor

White Pride Worldwide.

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.... what are you talking about?

It was invented/dreamed up/patented by an American-Jewish immigrant from Austria-Hungary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Edgar_LilienfeldEarly_life

Bardeen and Brattain developed the first working one but then their concept was essentially replaced/completely revamped by the MOSFET transistor, invented by Mohamed Atalla (Egyptian-American) and Dawon Kahng (American of South Korean descent) at Bell Labs in 1959.

Literally from your link.

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Guaranteed the kike plagiarized White authors whose work he used without attribution. Which is common of kike "inventors".

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That's the device we call an FET today. Lilienfeld didn't invent the semiconductor device, that honor is usually given to Karl Ferdinand Braun, who invented a device we know today as the crystal rectifier, or semiconductor diode (clarify: galena or pyrite point-contact diode aka cat's whisker.) Semiconductor effects were first observed by Thomas Johann Seebeck, whose namesake is given to the phenomenon that makes thermocouples possible. But yes, semiconductors were "invented" or noticed, in this case, by pure European White Men.

This isn't to discount Lilienfeld's work in any way, modern electronics would be impossible without his electrolytic capacitor. The man's work is so underappreciated it hurts.

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https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/analog/article/21808701/who-really-did-invent-the-transistor

“The various historical records say that the transistor was invented Dec. 23, 1947 at AT&T’s Bell Laboratories by scientists William Shockley, John Bardeen, and Walter Brattain. On that day, they demonstrated transistor amplification with a point contact transistor.

What I should have said was that Bardeen and Brattain did indeed invent the first transistor, a point contact type. However, Shockley was not included in that patent. Later, in 1948, Shockley developed the first bipolar transistor. In 1956, Shockley moved to California and established Shockley Semiconductor, one of the first, if not the first, semiconductor company in what we now know as Silicon Valley. And the rest is history, as they say. More details can be found in Shockley’s definitive biography Broken Genius by Joel Shurkin."

From wikipedia:

In the last two decades of his life, Shockley, who had no degree in genetics, became widely known for his extreme views on race and human intelligence, and his advocacy of eugenics.[2][5] As described by his Los Angeles Times obituary, "He went from being a physicist with impeccable academic credentials to amateur geneticist, becoming a lightning rod whose views sparked campus demonstrations and a cascade of calumny."

Native Americans, or European Americans? America is a slave colony of Israel, so I guess that answers the question. It's the jews.

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Jewish, Egyptian and Korean Americans

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I do not know the real answer, but my guess is this manufacturing was offshored like everything else because almost anywhere outside the US is cheaper. Mexicans, Indians, and almost any other impoverished people were too stupid to manufacture semiconductors. The Chinese are smart enough but their “don’t give a shit, push units out faster” attitude made them incapable of making semiconductors that worked (they can put chips on circuit boards though, still better than most).

That only left Taiwan. Poor enough to be cheaper than the US. People smart enough to handle the job (mix of Chinese and Japanese). Not horribly corrupt and confused by the concept of quality like the Chinese.

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I was going to say this. They have the quality of Japan with the cost of China. That's why everyone is trying to get their grubby mits on them.

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The first question is obvious. To answer the 2nd question you have to realize that America is currently the dying Ox, and today Netanyahu likely talks about China in the

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Semiconductor manufacturing is very very competitive. The cost of mfg each chip can be cut by increasing wafer size and/or reduced geometries. There are manufacturing limits to these variables. The equipment required to use the biggest silicon wafers and create chips of the smallest geometries are outrageously expensive. Even the buildings containing these fabs must be vibration proof.

In the ealy days grants/contracts from Mil/Aero had helped many young US semiconductor companies to grow quickly.

America has had a few older semiconductor companies, a great consolidation of these companies took place in the 1990s through buyouts - stock prices were soaring as US jobs went off shore ; product obsolescence, efficiency and innovation determined the winners and losers 1980s-2001. During Bill Clinton's first term the tide shifted in another way. Military/Aerospace chip manufacturing no longer had to be manufactured stateside. Then we had another thinning of the herd with the dot com crash.

TSMC has been leading edge semiconductor manufacturing for at least 30 years. Their process technology is top shelf.

This high quality FAB opened the door for American semiconductor manufacturers to remove the costly fabrication process - expensive American fabs, employees, etc and simply contract the wafers to be reliably made by TSMC on their stable processes. US companies could avoid expanding their own fab capacity by using TSMC as a buffer if they designed to TSMCs process.

The surviving fabs in the US have upgraded their equipment too, but for many the chips they make may contain more analog circuitry which won't benefit much from smaller geometries. They are still competive cost wise on smaller wafers so these US fabs continue. Then there are the cutting edge US fabs by the most successful like INTEL, but they make their own chips there and are sized to support an anticipated demand for their product. I'm not aware of any US fab with TSMCs business model - you design it to our process and we will make them for you. It would require billions per fab to recreate.

2nd question. My opinion is as long as we have access to the same bleeding edge equipment vendors, we can recreate the capacity here in 3-4 years - but that equipment likely has TSMC chips in it too. China would certainly have a time advantage and meanwhile American companies depending upon TSMC for their chips will be blackmailed by China to share their IP. China can control products that currently use TSMC chips - computers, phones, tvs, cars ...

My 2 cents.

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During Bill Clinton's first term the tide shifted in another way. Military/Aerospace chip manufacturing no longer had to be manufactured stateside.

Sheer lunacy.

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Sheer lunacy

My exact thought at the time.

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Bill Clinton was on China's payroll. Pushing it offshore meant easier technology access for theft.

Norm McDonald used to make jokes about Bill on China's payroll on snl back in the day.

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Billy gave us a lot of "WTF" moments, including the repeal of Glass-Steagall which allowed the housing crash to happen.

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When businesses say American labor is expensive, what they mean is they want to sell to a population with disposable income, but they don't want the cost of creating that population with disposable income. Let some other sucker pay for that.

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When George Bush was president (1 and 2) the partnership they had with the Saudis was the Carlyle group. George Bush(s) put sanctions on Iraqi oil or invaded so it couldn't be sold which caused the price of oil worldwide to skyrocket and the Saudis made huge money which they kicked back to the bushes through the Carlyle group. The Carlyle group did several things with that money one of which was buy as many of the semiconductor factories as they could around the world especially in taiwan. They also bought media all around South East Asia to be able to control the message in southeast asia. They also bought the ethanol distilleries in the United States making the grain ethanol alternative to Saudi gasoline actually be owned by the Saudis themselves. That was the big conspiracy two decades ago. I guess everybody's forgotten about it now.

But 2 decades ago that was the thing on the internet the media denied and called you a conspiracy theorist for telling.

Sigh.

You know it's get a little..disheartening to see how they get away with all this. The Bidens will too

Some of my former co-workers are busy building a massive semi conductor plant in PHX right now. The client is supposedly Taiwan, they’re saying China will be taking the island in the near future and they want to offshore as much as possible before that happens. This is all 4th hand info so take it with a grain of salt. There are lots of semi conductor manufacturing jobs hiring in PHX all the time though, I would see them when looking at help wanted listings.

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Greed placed them over there and lack of regulation. 2 bucks per day to pay human assembly belts. Trump saw this was dumb, leaders of industry laughed at him as did some of the gov. Now look whats happening. Great they're bringing some back but the areas of focus are the wrong ones. Well to be fair all i know about really is az.

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Do you mean self reflection?