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I've been struggling with this question and wanted to see what others think. If we worked on changing hearts on things like abortion and homosexuality, so that more and more people would choose Godliness and be saved, would that nullify the disfavor our nations experience from God, at having such awful laws that permit unholy things from taking place, or is there a necessary element in having laws that prohibit such things?

We truly, I believe, no longer have governments that represent our will at large as citizenries, so would it even matter what laws we have when it comes to judging our holiness as nations? Is the goal of things like overturning Roe v Wade to cause further division, and make it less likely for an uncertain mother to consider giving birth to instead of aborting her baby?

I've been struggling with this question and wanted to see what others think. If we worked on changing hearts on things like abortion and homosexuality, so that more and more people would choose Godliness and be saved, would that nullify the disfavor our nations experience from God, at having such awful laws that permit unholy things from taking place, or is there a necessary element in having laws that prohibit such things? We truly, I believe, no longer have governments that represent our will at large as citizenries, so would it even matter what laws we have when it comes to judging our holiness as nations? Is the goal of things like overturning Roe v Wade to cause further division, and make it less likely for an uncertain mother to consider giving birth to instead of aborting her baby?

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Then explain the fall of nations which are made up of individuals, once great nations fall new ones are built and yet they fall as well

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Unless nations are run by godly people, which they generally never are, then the inherent corruption will always be the downfall of the nation. All the greed and even sometimes evil (desire to harm others even if it isn't profitable) automatically makes the nation rot and decay. Having kings and emperors made governance simple, and you also had a single, solitary person who had the selfish interest in making the nation great and strong. Who wants to be king of a dung heap? Also, if your nation was not strong and capable of defending itself, outsiders could come in and conquer the place.

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the explanation is the fall of Man. When Man decided to work outside of the design of the Creator, chaos was let in.

It is no surprise that Man is self-destructive. This is the reason why God sent HIs son, to bring about the New Covenant. Bringing a guiding light of the Holy Spirit into the hearts of those who willingly seek God.