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I've been struggling with this question and wanted to see what others think. If we worked on changing hearts on things like abortion and homosexuality, so that more and more people would choose Godliness and be saved, would that nullify the disfavor our nations experience from God, at having such awful laws that permit unholy things from taking place, or is there a necessary element in having laws that prohibit such things?

We truly, I believe, no longer have governments that represent our will at large as citizenries, so would it even matter what laws we have when it comes to judging our holiness as nations? Is the goal of things like overturning Roe v Wade to cause further division, and make it less likely for an uncertain mother to consider giving birth to instead of aborting her baby?

I've been struggling with this question and wanted to see what others think. If we worked on changing hearts on things like abortion and homosexuality, so that more and more people would choose Godliness and be saved, would that nullify the disfavor our nations experience from God, at having such awful laws that permit unholy things from taking place, or is there a necessary element in having laws that prohibit such things? We truly, I believe, no longer have governments that represent our will at large as citizenries, so would it even matter what laws we have when it comes to judging our holiness as nations? Is the goal of things like overturning Roe v Wade to cause further division, and make it less likely for an uncertain mother to consider giving birth to instead of aborting her baby?

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All that is of concern to God is the individual.

Nations are irrelevant. They are a consequence of the fall of Man.

Furthermore, the virtue of a nation, or lack of same, plays no role in the judgement of the individual. If you are not seeking the will of God, then you are working against Him. The "rightous" nation you live in does not change that.

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This is not consistent with the Bible. There was something about Sodom and Gomorrah that made God choose them as nations and societies that were so corrupt, so bad that he wanted to destroy them. The ignorant Christian interpretation of this is based on them wanting to go homo with some angels appearing as humans. This doesn't add up as being the problem, because there were plenty of other places in the world with homosexual practices taking place. For over a thousand years the Jewish interpretation was that Sodom and Gomorrah were neglectful and abusive to the most helpless people such as widows, orphans, the disabled, and strangers who traveled to the land. There is a fable they told about the people there receiving a stranger by giving them a pocket-sized piece of gold (still worth a lot). Following this, nobody would sell to them. Since these places were remote, they would become famished and then be vulnerable to having everything they have taken from them. It's not very believable, but it does represent the typical interpretation of the story before Christians made it about homosexuality.

I do think it is of concern that they wanted to get freaky with strangers who just walked in there, which is actually rape and not just gay sex. That indicates how inhospitable they were to outsiders, though.

It is important to note that God was willing to consider any righteous individual, and that is when he found Lot who qualified.

I imagine the people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be like a giant pile of rap CDs to me. Oh look, another stupid nigger that's talking about stupid nigger shit. I'm not going to listen to any of them. There's no interest in that huge pile of repugnant garbage at all. If CDs were as valuable as people, I might be willing to search the whole pile to see if there is anything in there that isn't nigger garbage. I'd gladly blow up all the nigger garbage, though.

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Then explain the fall of nations which are made up of individuals, once great nations fall new ones are built and yet they fall as well

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Unless nations are run by godly people, which they generally never are, then the inherent corruption will always be the downfall of the nation. All the greed and even sometimes evil (desire to harm others even if it isn't profitable) automatically makes the nation rot and decay. Having kings and emperors made governance simple, and you also had a single, solitary person who had the selfish interest in making the nation great and strong. Who wants to be king of a dung heap? Also, if your nation was not strong and capable of defending itself, outsiders could come in and conquer the place.

the explanation is the fall of Man. When Man decided to work outside of the design of the Creator, chaos was let in.

It is no surprise that Man is self-destructive. This is the reason why God sent HIs son, to bring about the New Covenant. Bringing a guiding light of the Holy Spirit into the hearts of those who willingly seek God.

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The people. Laws don't mean shit to those who break them.

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Listen to this man and his message. He speaks truth about God and Christ and what is happening right now. He makes a way to understand what is happening and how to deal with it. Newsome has been trying to remove his ability to get the truth out. His website is barely functional. All that is left is his Youtube videos. This man had an entire 50 year library - now gone. Eventually, our lawless leaders will come after us all.

Title: Hope for a doomed nation part A and Part B. Get ready, prepare you mind, prepare your body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr7_gpRV4MA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhFlPmKO5kw

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Laws and culture ultimately arise from DNA. They are based in the nature of the people that uses them. For example, the US Constitution was written for white Christians, predominantly Anglo-Saxon white Christians. It worked beautifully for them. But now that the demographics of the US are being artificially and forceably changed, the US will soon no longer be predominantly white, and the Constitution, written by whites for whites, will not serve the purposes of races that are both unwilling and unable to live up to its requirements of truthfulness, self-sufficiency, courage and honor. We see how well attempts to bring civilization to black Africa work out. They fail because civilization is a white creation, and the negro is not white. I am speaking here about genetics, not skin color.

You can impose a set of laws on a people, but if that people is not amenable to those laws, they will violate the laws and eventually change them to suit their own conceits and purposes. This is why we see the laws and political precepts of America breaking down. Not because those laws are inferior. The are not, they are markedly superior to anything else in the world. But the changing demographic of black and brown and yellow in America is increasingly unable to live up to their requirements, and unwilling to try. The failure of black education in America points to the future. Blacks cannot learn what whites learn, and do not wish to try. The influx of non-whites into the United States, which was initiated and driven by Jews, will soon destroy America.

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I actually think of two white cultural things that don't work with niggers. You've probably heard, "The customer is always right." This was the policy of a fancy, department store in England about 100 years ago. In other words they were dealing with successful white people. You can't have such a policy if you have to deal with crazy, methhead white people or niggers.

Another thing I would bring up is tipping. You can hate on it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it's a policy that worked. It worked for patriarchal white people. Now that you have women and niggers being subjected to such a practice, you have workers getting screwed quite often. I mention women here, because they tip significantly less than men but don't get a bad rap for it like niggers do. I actually delivered pizza for awhile and kept statistics. Niggers tipped 50% of the time, and there are often many apefirmative action niggers here with good plant jobs that pay a lot. I expect niggers in other places probably tip even less. My statistics showed women tipping much less than men, though. Ultimately, nothing was absolute, though. You can get tipped by a black woman or stiffed by a white man. You can get tipped in a shitty location and stiffed in a great neighborhood.