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I'm more or less self-employed, though I have bosses, depending on the project and clients.

For that reason, I don't really experience what I'm hearing about from a couple of family members, who are claiming the job market is abysmal for white people. But I'm interested to know.

Is this true?

They have Irish names.

Their schools are white zip code schools, etc.

I assume it is easy enough to identify them as white from their resume, plus social media (dumb), etc.

I'm told they also just ask your race on every application.

I've done a couple of fly by tests and I'm setting up some profiles that I'm about use to run some tests with.

I am seeing some articles suggest that 10 applications should result in at least one interview, if you're doing it right.

https://www.zipjob.com/blog/application-to-interview-ratio/

Anywhere from 10 to 20% is considered average and 20% to 30% is a good application to interview ratio. Remember that the numbers can be very different depending on your industry and experience level; entry level applicants might see fewer responses while job searching because there is a bigger pool, or highly technical job openings might be seeking candidates with very specific skills.

https://www.blacktechjobs.com/5-Tactics-to-Improve-Your-Job-Application-to-Response-Ratio

https://www.askamanager.org/2015/09/whats-a-good-applicationinterview-rate.html

https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/the-truth-about-resumes/

These other articles all suggest about the same thing.

So, I've started with my cousin and his friend, who are both looking for jobs. We set up accounts at Indeed, Monster, USAJobs, etc. I also did a scrap of local job listings from craigslist and other smaller boards.

Additionally, I've created another set of accounts that are almost exactly the same, except the resumes are black people.

I've finished my first blast, so to speak, and have applied for approximately 300 jobs, each. It's only been a day, so we'll see, but there are zero responses for white resumes and 7 for black resume.

This is enough of a difference that I think I need to do more accounts and more testing. However, my first observation is that even the black resume is not getting anywhere near the response rate these articles suggest.

I'll start taking screenshots and making it more official.

But I wanted to ask Poal... is there something to this? Is it too soon for me to tell?

I'm more or less self-employed, though I have bosses, depending on the project and clients. For that reason, I don't really experience what I'm hearing about from a couple of family members, who are claiming the job market is abysmal for white people. But I'm interested to know. Is this true? They have Irish names. Their schools are white zip code schools, etc. I assume it is easy enough to identify them as white from their resume, plus social media (dumb), etc. I'm told they also just ask your race on every application. I've done a couple of fly by tests and I'm setting up some profiles that I'm about use to run some tests with. I am seeing some articles suggest that 10 applications should result in at least one interview, if you're doing it right. https://www.zipjob.com/blog/application-to-interview-ratio/ >Anywhere from 10 to 20% is considered average and 20% to 30% is a good application to interview ratio. Remember that the numbers can be very different depending on your industry and experience level; entry level applicants might see fewer responses while job searching because there is a bigger pool, or highly technical job openings might be seeking candidates with very specific skills. https://www.blacktechjobs.com/5-Tactics-to-Improve-Your-Job-Application-to-Response-Ratio https://www.askamanager.org/2015/09/whats-a-good-applicationinterview-rate.html https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/the-truth-about-resumes/ These other articles all suggest about the same thing. So, I've started with my cousin and his friend, who are both looking for jobs. We set up accounts at Indeed, Monster, USAJobs, etc. I also did a scrap of local job listings from craigslist and other smaller boards. Additionally, I've created another set of accounts that are almost exactly the same, except the resumes are black people. I've finished my first blast, so to speak, and have applied for approximately 300 jobs, each. It's only been a day, so we'll see, but there are zero responses for white resumes and 7 for black resume. This is enough of a difference that I think I need to do more accounts and more testing. However, my first observation is that even the black resume is not getting anywhere near the response rate these articles suggest. I'll start taking screenshots and making it more official. But I wanted to ask Poal... is there something to this? Is it too soon for me to tell?

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[–] • 14 pts

As a White male specializing in analytics, I can tell you from a data perspective that it's very bad.

Here's the short of it:

First, I know my profiles get a lot of views. Several sites straight out tell me how often I'm searched for or found. And my resume honestly makes hiring managers drool (more on that in a moment). Despite all of these views, I get very few honest job inquiries. The discrepancy is significant enough that it doesn't stand up to reason.

Second, when I go get in front of hiring managers, invariably they tell me they're interested in next steps and I should expect another interview in a short time. However, in a high percentage of these cases, I get an email a few days later from the company allegedly interested in me stating they're "going in a different direction" (or some other lame and vague reason for ditching me). I've straight up had hiring managers (and even second interviews) tell me they want to hire me / want me on their team, and then it's followed by that lame email a few days later. Again, the discrepancy between being told they want to hire me, by the people actually running the team I'd work with, and being anonymously ditched later is too high to find a reasonable correlation.

Third, I've spoken with several people who specialize in improving your resume / online profile who have said right now companies are trying hard to not hire White men. The last company I worked with even said this in an all-employee meeting. They actually said that when they get resumes from White men, those will go to the bottom of the pile until they have no choice but to hire them.

And we are seeing the effects of all of this bullshit in a big way. How many products are going straight down the shitter? In particular, watch software companies. It's getting really really bad. In all my time in the tech industry (over 25 years), I've met NO black engineers. I've met TWO hispanic engineers (they were junior). I've met FOUR female engineers (two of whom had real problems staying employed). I've met a bunch of pajeet engineers, and almost all of them are terrible both professionally and personally. The pajeets are crazy nepotistic and always cause QA problems. I've met a bunch of Asian engineers, and for the most part they're pretty okay (for the most part). But the vast majority of quality engineers I've met have been White men.

The experiment you're doing is exactly the one I've been trying to do for a while. That said, I have followed up on the companies which either ghosted me or turned me down. In nearly all cases they hired a non-White to the position for which I applied. Again, given the percentage of White people vs non-Whites, you'd expect the numbers to fall in roughly the same percentages. Nope. Non-Whites are hired far more frequently than Whites.

It's fucked and we need to start paying attention to this a lot more closely.

I think a good place to start would be openly listing out professions which are dominated by Whites. Oh - here's something. I was actually hired to a position BECAUSE I'm White. It's a position involving customer-facing presentation and communication skills. Now that's an interesting thing to see. Companies are ditching the mush-mouthed, rude pajeets they were hiring for these positions because customers don't want to deal with them. I think that trend started back around 2013. What other professions / positions are dominated by Whites? If we can get a good enough list we might be able to start making adjustments to our resumes.

[–] • 10 pts (edited )

And we are seeing the effects of all of this bullshit in a big way. How many products are going straight down the shitter? In particular, watch software companies. It's getting really really bad. In all my time in the tech industry (over 25 years), I've met NO black engineers. I've met TWO hispanic engineers (they were junior). I've met FOUR female engineers (two of whom had real problems staying employed). I've met a bunch of pajeet engineers, and almost all of them are terrible both professionally and personally. The pajeets are crazy nepotistic and always cause QA problems. I've met a bunch of Asian engineers, and for the most part they're pretty okay (for the most part). But the vast majority of quality engineers I've met have been White men.

Software developer for 20 years now. This has been my exact experience. Places that hire diversity engineers fail at software.

They actually said that when they get resumes from White men, those will go to the bottom of the pile until they have no choice but to hire them.

Record shit like this, then lawsuit.

Seriously as a manager who has to do the fucking gay training for 2 hours every year, this is violating a lot of various employment laws (I'm not even allowed to ask the TIME ZONE of people applying for remote work, because it might be discriminatory, even though we only hire in the US) and it's ripe for a lawsuit. Believe it or not there are actually lawyers who will take this shit on (maybe Robert Barnes or someone in that circle) and it's a slam dunk case, with several similar cases being recently won by Whites against wokeshit hiring depts.

Whites need to up their lawsuit game. Make these kikes fucking pay.

[–] • 5 pts

I would totally lawyer up but as long as they either give no reason or stay very vague about why they're passing on you (as they all do), then there's nothing to pin them on. You can't just say "Hey you hired a pajeet in this role after you passed on me and I have a better resume" and expect a law-based solution to it. I wish we could, but that's just not the case.

I think it would be better to start an online data set of companies and approximate percentage of White vs non-White employees each has. If we started sharing that data openly then we might be able to cobble something together in terms of a lawsuit.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

Well for one thing if they are openly saying these things to their employees, that runs afoul of a bunch of things that don't require explicit proof of discrimination in hiring. The "hostile workplace" rule applies to that at the very least and is pretty easy to meet in terms of the legalese of it.

In addition to that if they are saying these things openly, lack of promotions becomes another avenue.

As for people who aren't yet working there:

I would totally lawyer up but as long as they either give no reason or stay very vague about why they're passing on you (as they all do), then there's nothing to pin them on.

True but as I posted earlier, the easy way to get proof is to apply to wokeshit companies with your regular resume and a fake nigger resume for the same position but with less experience.

If you hear back for the fabricated nigger resume you have yourself a case (this has been done successfully at least once).

I think it would be better to start an online data set of companies and approximate percentage of White vs non-White employees each has. If we started sharing that data openly then we might be able to cobble something together in terms of a lawsuit.

That's also a good idea.

[–] [deleted] • 7 pts

A couple years before all this woke shit I had an interview where I was asked how I'd feel about being the only white person in the company. I said I was fine with it and the manager came out, a big turbaned Sikh that asked me the same question more pointedly with the attitude of I don't know what the fuck I'm getting into if I wanted this job. He didn't criticize or insult me but was derisive of all my answers and acted like I had no idea what I was going to step into as a white guy. Before then they were interested in my resume and it looked like I was certain for the job. I never heard back from them.

A lot of whites are working on their own, either starting their own businesses or working freelance from home or for several employers. What's going to happen is those employees are going to become very successful and the white businesses started by people that had no other option are going to overtake the woke businesses so it will end up like that cartoon of colored entering into a white space driving them out to make their own and then moving into that one after they're established.

[–] • 6 pts

He was right though. Sikhs are very highly hierarchically oriented and truth and meritocracy means nothing in their society, only status in the hierarchy and submission to your rung of the hierarchy ladders.

White people are flakey as fuck and far to independent to work in such situations.

Sikhs aren't only nepotistic as per other post, they are nepotistic for a reason: white people suck as employees from the perspective of sikhs. It takes way too much effort and energy to babysit us.

However. Once you are in, you are in forever. It's basically the same as working Italians, once you are in, you are in like mafia in. Mostly.

Bottom line, different species of humans cannot mix. It's simply impossible.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

I didn't really mind the decision. I noticed there was no niggers or women working there that I could see.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

He was made. But I was Irish and they'd never truely except me as one of their own.

[–] • 6 pts

A lot of defense firms, space companies, etc. can't hire non-US persons due to export control / ITAR regulations, so that helps keep the trash out somewhat... but still they shoehorn golden untouchables into roles where they can. They inevitably cause issues though.

[–] • 2 pts

Only somewhat! Lots of adult anchor babies that barely speak English and lotto obsessed blacks.

[–] • 4 pts

Get woke, go broke at its finest.

[–] • 3 pts

Mechanical engineer here (female). I've known three black engineers. One of them did none of the work, but took all of the credit. Another one spent all of his time socializing and saying racist things to white people. The last one would repeat the same three phrases and was never able to contribute to projects. It was honestly creepy, as though he was some sort of broken robot

The companies who turn you down are poisoning their workforce. Even though I have the female adbantage, I can feel them breathing down my neck too. I've been pulled into hr for boomer black lady vax drama, and another time a vendor accused me of being racist for requesting (contract req) employee training records. My condolences for your disadvantage. Let's hope it gets better soon.

[–] • 3 pts

Holy cow YOU were pulled in to HR? As a FEMALE? That seems unheard of. I'd GTFO of there if I were you.

Interesting about the black engineers. Thanks for noting that.

[–] • 2 pts

Its not just men. I may be more likely to be taken seriously in an interview, but once I get the job they're watching my every move!

The black community got mad at me for helping an elderly lady (white refugee speaks English fluently) complete her VAX exemption form. Hr didn't investigate any of the gossip and put me on an improvement plan. My covid lawyer filed court paperwork and sent a letter " you're putting my client on an improvement plan for expectations not defined anywhere, this may be retaliation and will be brought to court, here is evidence your claims are misinformed ". Hr crones took me off the improvement plan and dropped the whole thing. Talk about white advantages lol!

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[–] • 1 pt

You aren't kidding about products going down the shitter... Everything covid plus is a pile of dog shit. Kawasaki came out with a new motorcycle app... It ahs a map, that doesn't do directions, lets you select playlists but they don't work.. Ohh and if your screen isn't on it disconnects

There are thousands of examples, but i like this one because everyone knows better than this

[–] • 8 pts

I'm told they also just ask your race on every application.

They need to start making fake resumes with nigger names/addresses and fake social media and applying to the same job, but put less experience in the resume.

If they hear back for the same job for the fake nigger, LAWSUIT TIME.

Seriously Whites need to step up their game on this shit, it's not even hard.

[–] • 1 pt

I don't think many jew lawyers would take on cases like that unless they know for sure that it's a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

[–] • 1 pt

There are some "rebel" type lawyers that are normiecons at the very least that would take these cases, as well as larger law organizations which help out in such cases.

[–] • 6 pts

All recruiting agencies are woke now. They get kickback for hiring migrants/lgbt/women. They will call you if you give them your name, but they will give you janitor level jobs or anything they can think of so you stop bothering them.

The only way to get hired is to go see them in person and ask if they are hiring. If their answer is something like "we use a manpower agency" then you can just look elsewhere, since that agency will actively try to get rid of you as soon as they can.

[–] • 4 pts

I don’t have any large scale data on this, but the company I work for (Canadian) recently asked us all to fill in a new field in our HR profile that states our racial or ethnic group. They only said they wanted to maintain up to date data on the diversity of our company, but it’s obvious where this leads.

“diversity” means “non white maleness”. They want to track this because they desire a certain level. If we are not “diverse” enough they may force us to use sexist or racist hiring practices.

[–] • 4 pts

Doesn't every one of those forms have "mixed race" and "choose not to answer" as options. Refusing to answer will be seen as a problem so it's a bad idea. However anyone can say they are mixed race. Even if you have blue eyes and blond hair, you can pretend that your grandmother was Hispanic or your grandfather was Apache and you are proud of it. It got good jobs for Elizabeth Warren. They can't make you do a DNA test so no one can prove otherwise. Every White person should claim to be multi-ethnic so that all the companies can say they meet the racial quotas.

[–] • 0 pt

Identify as a Black dyke and check all the marks for your company.

[–] • 3 pts

It is very difficult, took over a year of active search.

[–] • 1 pt

Same, finally got a job offer after they initially said no. Manager said he had to fight for me. Current HR has special bonuses for hiring anything but straight white males.

Non stop stupid diversity and equity classes which I ignore. Pressure to fill out my profile with pronouns, which I ignore.

Almost lost the job again because they mandated the clot shot which I just refused. They asked if I could fill out a medical exemption form, which I ignored.

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

I'm assuming the large corps are just looking for that high diversity ESG score, to get some of that sweet Blackrock and Vanguard money.

[–] • 2 pts

They're trying to figure out how to fake ESG compliance.

Its all just a puppet show. Only the lazy fall for it.

[–] • 2 pts

My companies software is dogshit. And it's designed by pajeets.

[–] • 2 pts

If you're white, why aren't you starting your own business? Everyone assumes that if you are white and don't own your company, you must be retarded.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

You know what an ass you make of yourself when you assume.

[–] • 1 pt

I am, for the most part, my own boss. And I agree with you. My cousin and his friend are in real estate and they are getting hit hard by the Internet "1%" commission industry-wide change. This is why they are looking for work. They have degrees and are relatively successful... though I question their spending habits... and they feel that work is slow enough that they need jobs and plan to conduct their two or three transactions a year on top of regular employment.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

Add trans or gender fluid something or other. Your "pronouns". Maybe that's the key.

[–] • 2 pts

My pronouns will be niggerfaggot and kike.

[–] • 2 pts

I'm in the trades, there are almost NO niggers or spics and I have yet to see an asian. These fields are dominated by white folks.

[–] • 1 pt

The hatred of white men is so bad that it's bleeding into online surveys. I need to make a few extra bucks and decided to try a few of those "Survey Junkie" sites and I either don't qualify or get rejected from a good 70% of the surveys. They're all a waste of time anyways.

[–] • 1 pt

Stop wasting your time on those things and waste more time on poal.

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