Republic. Anything with the word "democracy" in it is already a non-starter.
Republic. Anything with the word "democracy" in it is already a non-starter.
Monarchy
Monarchy
Interesting take, care to explain why? Or any reading material?
Interesting take, care to explain why? Or any reading material?
So I've been reading Plato recently. He came to the conclusion in a republic without a democracy is the best form of government.
He also came to the conclusion that democracy itself is extremely evil. If you have 51 stupid people and 49 smart people and they are in a democracy the stupid people control the smart people.
The national socialist would call this upsetting the natural order. Because the natural order is the strong and the smart should rule over the weak and the stupid.
I recommend reading Vril: The coming race. Some people claim this book is a true story.
In The coming race it is explained to the traveler "We find the family amongst us who has their house in the best order and we radiate that order to all other families"
Which brings me to the entire point. So you want to be a conservative that conserves a society or conserves a culture.
What would be the easiest simplest and best way to do that?
You find what you consider to be a model family that is living the perfect caricature of the culture that you wish to conserve. Then you prop that family up to ensure they survive. Because if that family survives that culture that you are defending will survive.
Which brings me to monarchies.
Monarchies are model families that their culture can look up to and gain inspiration from. A monarchs power wealth and historical noteworthiness is directly and proportionately tied to the flourishing of its people and land.
If you have a great King your people your culture will thrive will become wealthy, you will rule over your enemies and they will sing your names and praise what you've done for centuries upon centuries.
A great King will preserve your culture and values and even your genetic lines with his life.
If you have a terrible King you will suffer you will be poor and your culture will be thrown into the dustbin of history.
Such is natural order. The great should be allowed to rise to greatness and the weak should perish or be subjugated.
So I've been reading Plato recently.
He came to the conclusion in a republic without a democracy is the best form of government.
He also came to the conclusion that democracy itself is extremely evil. If you have 51 stupid people and 49 smart people and they are in a democracy the stupid people control the smart people.
The national socialist would call this upsetting the natural order. Because the natural order is the strong and the smart should rule over the weak and the stupid.
I recommend reading Vril: The coming race.
Some people claim this book is a true story.
In The coming race it is explained to the traveler "We find the family amongst us who has their house in the best order and we radiate that order to all other families"
Which brings me to the entire point.
So you want to be a conservative that conserves a society or conserves a culture.
What would be the easiest simplest and best way to do that?
You find what you consider to be a model family that is living the perfect caricature of the culture that you wish to conserve.
Then you prop that family up to ensure they survive.
Because if that family survives that culture that you are defending will survive.
Which brings me to monarchies.
Monarchies are model families that their culture can look up to and gain inspiration from.
A monarchs power wealth and historical noteworthiness is directly and proportionately tied to the flourishing of its people and land.
If you have a great King your people your culture will thrive will become wealthy, you will rule over your enemies and they will sing your names and praise what you've done for centuries upon centuries.
A great King will preserve your culture and values and even your genetic lines with his life.
If you have a terrible King you will suffer you will be poor and your culture will be thrown into the dustbin of history.
Such is natural order.
The great should be allowed to rise to greatness and the weak should perish or be subjugated.
Really interesting take and I appreciate the feedback rather than just a simple two sentences. I haven’t read much Plato, tried in college but the professor was a total dbag and made it miserable so I never went back. Yeah a full democracy I don’t like because that’s just mob rule and mobs are really really dumb. I mean look at BLM that’s mob rule and it’s dumb.
I had thought that maybe monarchy was the way. Like the age of kings but like you said it has to be one who is the ideal and preserves the culture and takes care of his people. Then he will have people loyal to him and their fellow countryman. What we have now is politicians loyal to whom ever pays them the most money. I added that Vril book to reading list. Let me know if you have any other books, nonfictional as well.
Really interesting take and I appreciate the feedback rather than just a simple two sentences. I haven’t read much Plato, tried in college but the professor was a total dbag and made it miserable so I never went back. Yeah a full democracy I don’t like because that’s just mob rule and mobs are really really dumb. I mean look at BLM that’s mob rule and it’s dumb.
I had thought that maybe monarchy was the way. Like the age of kings but like you said it has to be one who is the ideal and preserves the culture and takes care of his people. Then he will have people loyal to him and their fellow countryman. What we have now is politicians loyal to whom ever pays them the most money. I added that Vril book to reading list. Let me know if you have any other books, nonfictional as well.
Many times kings are in power because they are born into it and not the smartest, bravest, or greatest of the people. But if they are a good king then what you say is true. Real natural order would be to have no orders, or anarchy. I don't want to live in that. But I also don't want to live with the government living up my asshole 24/7. So the best would be just basic elected government responsible for defense of the borders and the countries production/economy using tariffs and different trade deals. A federal force of lawmen that investigate serious crime. Elected justice system.
Many times kings are in power because they are born into it and not the smartest, bravest, or greatest of the people. But if they are a good king then what you say is true. Real natural order would be to have no orders, or anarchy. I don't want to live in that. But I also don't want to live with the government living up my asshole 24/7. So the best would be just basic elected government responsible for defense of the borders and the countries production/economy using tariffs and different trade deals. A federal force of lawmen that investigate serious crime. Elected justice system.
The worst
The worst
Why? Monarchys had maybe 10% tax rate and didn't let niggerd or jews in their countries
Well they did then it all went to shit
Why? Monarchys had maybe 10% tax rate and didn't let niggerd or jews in their countries
Well they did then it all went to shit
What would a monarchy look like with jews in charge?
What would a monarchy look like with jews in charge?
It can be. Because it's the most effective. So if your king sucks ass. Your in for a shit life.
Find a good king and prosper.
It can be. Because it's the most effective.
So if your king sucks ass. Your in for a shit life.
Find a good king and prosper.
No better king that Jesus.
No better king that Jesus.
Its like saying just pick better politicians.
Its like saying just pick better politicians.
American constitution when it said only white land owning males could vote...
Right their perfection
American constitution when it said only white land owning males could vote...
Right their perfection
> Kike free, OP. Kike free.
>> Kike free, OP. Kike free.
Government is a necessary evil and should be kept small in powerless over the citizens, there for the People should be the Governing body. But America Fucked that experiment up about 100 years ago.
So Im going with Anarchy.
Government is a necessary evil and should be kept small in powerless over the citizens, there for the People should be the Governing body. But America Fucked that experiment up about 100 years ago.
So Im going with Anarchy.
The same people who manipulate our government, media, and financial institutions would just switch modes. There are always subversive people with wealth and power that want to control things, and anarchy offers no resistance to that.
Government is a necessary evil, but it's a very dangerous evil. Most people cannot resist the temptation to use it against their opponents or to enrich themselves at others' expense.
The same people who manipulate our government, media, and financial institutions would just switch modes. There are always subversive people with wealth and power that want to control things, and anarchy offers no resistance to that.
Government is a necessary evil, but it's a very dangerous evil. Most people cannot resist the temptation to use it against their opponents or to enrich themselves at others' expense.
The only good government is local givernment. The bigger and more remote government grows, the less responsive it becomes to the general will of the people in any given region.
The only good government is local givernment. The bigger and more remote government grows, the less responsive it becomes to the general will of the people in any given region.
Idk even local school boards go on power trips now a days
Idk even local school boards go on power trips now a days
None.
None.
So warlords? I don’t see how actual none would work.
So warlords? I don’t see how actual none would work.
Consider how often the government does jack all that benefits you. Now consider what they do which harms you, how much it costs, and what it would cost you to pay for any miniscule benefits yourself.
Consider how often the government does jack all that benefits you. Now consider what they do which harms you, how much it costs, and what it would cost you to pay for any miniscule benefits yourself.
None. Small communities of strong men and obedient wives, with larger coalitions between communities. And no jews or niggers.
None. Small communities of strong men and obedient wives, with larger coalitions between communities. And no jews or niggers.
So like tribal or clan like? I could see that
So like tribal or clan like? I could see that
We evolved to live in small communities where we know everyone. Larger ones involve abstract systems that allow exploitation.
We evolved to live in small communities where we know everyone. Larger ones involve abstract systems that allow exploitation.
You can't compare the corruption we have with a fantasy uncorrupted government. That is what all the retards who push for communism and socialism are doing despite both proving to be worse in practice than what we have.
The US has the best government as far as I can tell. Just imagine how awesome it would be without jews.
You can't compare the corruption we have with a fantasy uncorrupted government. That is what all the retards who push for communism and socialism are doing despite both proving to be worse in practice than what we have.
The US has the best government as far as I can tell. Just imagine how awesome it would be without jews.
If a homogeneous, honest society existed, a free will socialist type society could flourish. I grew 100 acres of whatever this year? Here's what I need for the year. I'll trade the rest for beef, clothes, and whatnot. I wanna go to an old style barter system. You don't produce anything or have a skill? You starve.
In the reality we live in, the yearning for power and control will corrupt any form of governance.
If a homogeneous, honest society existed, a free will socialist type society could flourish. I grew 100 acres of whatever this year? Here's what I need for the year. I'll trade the rest for beef, clothes, and whatnot. I wanna go to an old style barter system. You don't produce anything or have a skill? You starve.
In the reality we live in, the yearning for power and control will corrupt any form of governance.
Here's what I need for the year. I'll trade the rest for beef, clothes, and whatnot.
So you want a free-market, the opposite of socialism.
I wanna go to an old style barter system.
We have a barter system now. People usually prefer to barter for currency. Currency is a trade good like any other.
> Here's what I need for the year. I'll trade the rest for beef, clothes, and whatnot.
So you want a free-market, the opposite of socialism.
> I wanna go to an old style barter system.
We have a barter system now. People usually prefer to barter for currency. Currency is a trade good like any other.
A blend of Right-Libertarianism/Fusionism would probably be ideal.
A blend of Right-Libertarianism/Fusionism would probably be ideal.
I think the form of government by which the US was founded is ideal. The US constitution, along with the Bill of Rights, is as ideal as it gets in an imperfect world.
In view of the issues we face in modern times, I do not credit this as a deficiency in the founding documents as many people do. Rather, I believe it is a combination of complacency, laziness, lack of wisdom, and immorality that has led us to this point.
The constitution, as written, is not being followed and hasn’t for many years. There has not been a powerful enough defense of those principles or those documents.
When the government was originally formed, someone asked one of the founders (I believe it was Franklin) “what type of government have you given us, sir.”
He replied “A republic, if you can keep it, ma’am.”
You see, even the founders were wary of man’s tendencies to become complacent, immoral, etc.
There is no form of government that can guard against that (except perhaps a theocracy but that eventually equates to authoritarianism anyhow).
I’m not saying that the form of government doesn’t matter. It does. But just because a civilization collapses isn’t necessarily because the form of government was incorrect. The culture is the heart of it all, and ours is soured.
As they say, everything (including politics) is downstream of culture.
I think the form of government by which the US was founded is ideal. The US constitution, along with the Bill of Rights, is as ideal as it gets in an imperfect world.
In view of the issues we face in modern times, I do not credit this as a deficiency in the founding documents as many people do. Rather, I believe it is a combination of complacency, laziness, lack of wisdom, and immorality that has led us to this point.
The constitution, as written, is not being followed and hasn’t for many years. There has not been a powerful enough defense of those principles or those documents.
When the government was originally formed, someone asked one of the founders (I believe it was Franklin) “what type of government have you given us, sir.”
He replied “A republic, if you can keep it, ma’am.”
You see, even the founders were wary of man’s tendencies to become complacent, immoral, etc.
There is no form of government that can guard against that (except perhaps a theocracy but that eventually equates to authoritarianism anyhow).
I’m not saying that the form of government doesn’t matter. It does. But just because a civilization collapses isn’t necessarily because the form of government was incorrect. The culture is the heart of it all, and ours is soured.
As they say, everything (including politics) is downstream of culture.
I disagree. The constitution failed in 1861. Implied in the nature of a social contract is the principle of secession. If you can't leave, then the government doesn't serve you, you serve the government.
It failed even worse when Lincoln instituted the draft. The government protects your rights... until it declares war, in which case it can round you up like a bunch of slaves, hand you off to be ordered about by incompetent religious loonies, and execute you for treason if you exercise your 1st Amendment right to complain. The entire theory and foundation of the constitution was thrown out by the children and grandchild of those who wrote it. (I'm a northerner btw.)
I disagree. The constitution failed in 1861. Implied in the nature of a social contract is the principle of secession. If you can't leave, then the government doesn't serve you, you serve the government.
It failed even worse when Lincoln instituted the draft. The government protects your rights... until it declares war, in which case it can round you up like a bunch of slaves, hand you off to be ordered about by incompetent religious loonies, and execute you for treason if you exercise your 1st Amendment right to complain. The entire theory and foundation of the constitution was thrown out by the children and grandchild of those who wrote it. (I'm a northerner btw.)
Yeah I do think they did a great job with constitutional amendments and everything. Just ends up being kind of pointless if it is not being followed. Really disheartening seeing it all go downhill to the highest bidder. Even the culture is just so trashy now. All about bling and hustle culture and work till death (for corporations that don’t care about you) etc
Yeah I do think they did a great job with constitutional amendments and everything. Just ends up being kind of pointless if it is not being followed. Really disheartening seeing it all go downhill to the highest bidder. Even the culture is just so trashy now. All about bling and hustle culture and work till death (for corporations that don’t care about you) etc
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