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I was thinking about how to decentralize energy production. Coal, gas and uranium, wind and water are largely off limits to civilians.
What about biomass? What would be the minimum requirements to create a functional power source from greenwaste?


https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/stories/biomass-crops-are-energy-efficient-and-climate-friendly

I was thinking about how to decentralize energy production. Coal, gas and uranium, wind and water are largely off limits to civilians. What about biomass? What would be the minimum requirements to create a functional power source from greenwaste? ***** https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/stories/biomass-crops-are-energy-efficient-and-climate-friendly

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Biomass

The article is literally talking about burning wood for fuel. This has been going on since the dawn of humanity.

Why are logs being rebranded as biomass?

This is all so fucking retarded.

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The question is how do you convert burning wood into electricity?

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Sterling engine would be one way. You can also create steam pressure from the heat and spin a turbine.

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Generally the same way you convert coal into electricity. Burn it in a large furnace and heat water into steam. Use the steam to produce base load electricity.

The drawbacks of biomass are: - the high moisture content of freshly cut living biomass (trees/plants), this dramatically reduces the efficiency. - large amounts of particulate pollution (unless expensive and complicated filtering and exhaust pollution capturing is included, again reducing efficiency) - enormous area needed to supply enough biomass to generate power. Coal and oil are very energy dense in comparison. E.g. The Drax power plant in the UK imports pelletized wood that comes from felling vast areas of hardwood forest in Canada and the US. The UK would not be able to supply enough wood to fire it.

If you were thinking of more of a household scale, then it might be a bit different. But you wouldn't be likely to produce electricity to live as you currently do connected to the grid where you can freely pull large loads without even thinking about it. You'd need to set up some system for converting the wood to power at a small scale. A complex steam turbine type operation would be large, costly, difficult to use and likely unreliable at that scale. As others have suggested, pyrolyzing dry wood into syngas/wood gas and using that to run in internal combustion engine would probably be the best bet at small scales, though that is not particularly efficient. I've thought about this a bit - base load energy generation off grid. Something like a reasonably large very low temperature differential sterling cycle engine. Something like that could be combined with solar water heaters so that the temperature boost required by the wood fired portion is only partial. Would take substantial effort to setup though, but something that could be useful in a zombie apocalypse kind of scenario.

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Appreciate the thorough answer. I had a feeling it wasn't realistic, but really wanted to figure out why.

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Same way with nuclear? It is all just heating water into steam and getting it to spin a turbine that spins a generator.

It is just really inefficient with wood.

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Ineffecient alright, but in some areas greenwaste is plentiful. Perhaps a single residence electrical generator is unfeasible but I'm curious as to what the smallest scale that it might work, maybe if a small town put all it's biomass together.
The process undoubtedly could use improvement. Perhaps a catalyst of lye and aluminum.

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It's called wood gas. During WW2 rural people used wood gas to power vehicles and machinery. Today you can use it to run a gas generator, which would create electricity. The downside? wood gas creates a lot of tar.

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wood gas creates a lot of tar.

Good point. Could potentially pave some potholes with it. I hear Finns have learned to make pine tar edible somehow.

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Don't know anything about biomass electricity but I can tell you if you have a pile of debris and you have the foresight to run loops of common plastic piping through it and you run antifreeze through that piping that pile after a period of about 30 days or less we'll start putting out something like 160° heat which you can tap from your antifreeze filled pipes and circulate it through a radiator in your house or in some other way. A pile of regular debris of wood chips or leaves or other things that is say 10 ft tall in 10 feet or more around can make a huge amount of heat inside it as the bacteria eats all the carbohydrates in the leaves in the wood and everything else.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biomass+woodpile+heating+loop

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For forest residuals, the logistics of transporting it from the woods to a facility preclude their widespread use. The functional "woodbasket" for a forestry-fueled co-gen facility has very small radius. It can be a great supplement for other power sources in a limited fashion.

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Wood is a fucking shit energy source for scale because it has a really low energy density. Great for minimal local use, cuz, you know, you can find wood anywhere you find trees, but it is pretty it cant compare to fossil fuels, like coal, which is mostly made out of old, concentrated wood.

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It doesn't work. It can be used at most as a supplement to the primary electrical generating system. It is dirty and doesn't produce enough power for a primary system, unless you want to burn an entire forest every week. It's all about energy density. Oil and coal have a high energy density, trash and wood chips don't.

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Yeah even with a catalyst, there's no way to improve the inherent energy of the source material. Perhaps with microbial research we could condense waste into fuel but that's another subject. Thanks for entertaining my hypothesis.

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Telsapyrimads.com shows alot on sound producing eletricity and different neat site to read

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What was wrong with calling wood "wood"? Now it's called biomass? This world is fucking retarded.

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I think because it doesn't always have to be wood?

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Right. But the article is about wood. And burning it.

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If you get a really good compost pile going, it will produce enough heat to melt snow and steam it's way through the winter. If you get the compost pile really large, adorable foxes will overwinter in a burrow in the warm compost.

Then people will have even more motivation to turn off CNN to enjoy the pups pouncing about in the snow.

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Rewatch Matrix, coppertop.