NATO and the west started this fight, why would the western powers seek am end to it?
Their goal is to cause as much suffering as possible for ukrainians, lying that they could win, and antagonizing russia is part of the plan to create a Ukrainian insurgency in russian occupied Ukraine. Broadcast their struggle to western sheep to unify them against russia.
Yeah, it seems they want a casus belli here, nothing less
How did Nato start this?
The maidan revolution was stage by the U.S. we substituted the Russian's puppet government for our own in ukraine. Then flexed our globohomo propaganda methodology to pervert and subvert ukrainian culture. Goal 1 was to waste billions russia had just spent on a pipeline through ukraine, our military advisers kvetch over every russian oil and gas sale in europe and pave the way for Europe's need for a pipeline from the saudis the mideast pipeline failed because Syria rejected an israeli owned pipeline through their territory, this lead to the creation of ISIS and the attempts to overthrow Syria's government, they hated trump for ending this Op. Germany and poland agreed to let russia make a new gas pipeline through them. That cost russia 12 billion dollars, that's a whole lot for a country without a rothschild central bank, and now the germans have been inventing red tape for about a year to prevent the use/completion of this 12 billion dollar russian investment after they agreed to it formally years ago.
The war revolves around european oil and gas supply, every conflict in the last 30 years has been about mostly about the petrodollar or oil prices.
Why wont the west tolerate russian oil? Putin kicked out the Rothschild banks after paying off the national debt, like hitler did, this is how hitler provoked WW2 unwittingly.
The goal of that cultural subversion at the start was 1 to get ukraine to join NATO and put missiles on Putin's border and 2 to pollute russian culture by proxy of ukraine which shares its origins with russia in the kievan rus.
There are more nuances here like the geographic importance ukraine for a russian defence from invasion, the historical status quo of non-NATO non-nuclear russian border states keeping the peace.
Russia had real national security concerns and the west crossed a long established red line. National socialism and various neonazi groups have found broad appeal in ukraine, though the biggest may have been kike owned, putin was raised soviet, he hates natsocs, and doesn't want people who want reparations for the Holodomor to gain political power.
Putin's goal is to get back to the pre Obama status quo.
NATO is a bunch of impotents without US muscle. Unfortunately for Eastern Europe, it's the only choice against Putin's conquering plans. His whole thing is restoration of USSR.
Ten years ago he made some weak effort to unite Nationalist Movements of Europe, but this whole thing went down the drain after he back stabbed the closest Slavic Nation to Russians - Ukranians.
Why nobody just can get that Putin is the mortal danger to any Slavic Unification, that includes from Poles to Serbs, to Ukranians and Russians.
Ukraine is indeed not that important for US, but damn Xi is watching, and when he would move, oceans would not protect US soil.
The last thing we need now is Whites fighting Whites.
This is pro war propaganda pretending to be white nationalism.
American guys should not die for Ukranians - How is that war propaganda?
But while you try to be isolationist-pacifist, China does not.
We need to tread carefully but not end up in situation that we can be treaded on.
And Poal sentiment that "Durrr, Russia is so right with Ukraine" is fucking retarded
I copied my comment from another forum to post it here.
There has been many speculations surrounding why Putin is doing what he is doing and most of them are founded on modern problems like gas and NATO. But there is one thing that has never changed and never will change:
the only way to invade Russia from the west is through Ukraine(and the baltic states, but the alliance with Belarus solves the issue on that front). The terrain is shaped like a funnel that is narrow in the west and wide open once you enter Russia. It is impossible to defend Russia if the narrow part is not under direct or indirect control by Russia. If it's controlled by NATO they are at the mercy of a people which they have has numerous conflicts with since the dawn of time - the Germans, the french, the Anglos etc. Today all of these are united under NATO and even if NATO is an defensive alliance it is Putins job to assume and prepare for the worst. NATO can always decide to become hostile or aggressive at some point, who knows what the future brings.
This is also the reason why Crimea is important + the naval base ans access to the Black sea. I don't for a second believe Putin gives a fuck about the ethnic Russians that make up the majority of the population Crimea and the Donbas region, since he is letting Asians immigrate to Russia en masse and have done everything to quell Russian nationalists, he is just using it as an excuse to play a geopolitical game which is securing Russias existence and his own power base.
Now that you know the above take this next tidbit into account: The U.S. have done in Ukraine what they have done in latin america and puts an anti-russian puppet as replacement for an elected pro-russian leader, Putins got to wonder what's up with that. And when the russians in Donbas an Crimea holds an referendum to cut ties with Ukraine and then gets shelled for 8 years without the west doing anything or the press writing anything about it it makes him wonder what's coming next.
> Ukraine is indeed not that important for US
If Ukraine is not important to the U.S. then why the fuck did the instigate a coup that started all this mess in 2014?
http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1991-2/the-end-of-the-soviet-union/the-end-of-the-soviet-union-texts/minsk-agreement/ https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/ https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/06/03/how-why-us-government-perpetrated-2014-coup-ukraine/ https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-major-instigator-ukraine-conflict/5771863 https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/02/23/the-day-russias-patience-ran-out/#more-261188
The second sentence in this article explain the problem and also explains U.S. monetary interests. https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/02/25/the-real-history-behind-ukraine-putin-the-eu-gas-donbass/
I don't mean to be rude, but you don't know enough about the history and geography of Europe to understand this mess and act quite naive when it comes to U.S. involvement and interests.
"US muscle" I cringe every time I hear someone say this too. The U.S. has been involved in wars every single year (minus 4) since 1917. They've never won in any of those wars. (globally and since then) tens of millions of White men died, for absolutely nothing.
The ((( U.S.))) developed the atomic bomb first, mostly due to a few jews.... and due to that and the kikes getting Truman to dump a couple in Japan.....it's held the role of "global bully". When it comes down to it, that's all the US has been for 100 years. A giant classroom bully.
Do you want USSR to be the biggest bully? How about modern China? Someone always will be a bully. Question is - how bad that bully would be
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