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Want to start a foundation or NGO or group for developing techniques to perform de-programming.

Many people thinks it's permanent. I don't think it is. I think the "ex-soviet-spy" meme was spread around with the intention of making us think brainwashing isn't undoable. I think that was the specific intention. That was the real payload of that meme all along.

But if that were the case then these immortal words wouldn't exist: We lose our minds collectively, and only regain our sanity one at a time.

I think it was considered permanent because the weapons of psychological warfare and demoralization were so much further advanced than the defenses against it (at the time).

But we've seen people wake up. We've seen people red-pilled or whatever the hell people want to call it these days.

And that means not only is demoralization and brainwashing NOT permanent, but that there must be specific techniques to undo it.

And the question is, if it can be undone individually, why not to entire groups of people or even nations?

Whats stopping us from developing methods and techniques for breaking the spell entirely?

I think it can be done. I know it can.

If you think the same, and want to help, post here or PM me. This is an online group so you can maintain your anonymity. Discussions will be about techniques and methodologies of information dispersal and deprogramming, designing experiments, and gathering data on efficacy in the wild.

This is not a post calling for any real-world organization, weapons, militia, or anything of that nature.

edit: Not sure if this is the correct sub for this

Want to start a foundation or NGO or group for developing techniques to perform de-programming. Many people thinks it's permanent. I don't think it is. I think the "ex-soviet-spy" meme was spread around with the intention of making us think brainwashing isn't undoable. I think that was the specific intention. That was the real payload of that meme all along. But if that were the case then these immortal words wouldn't exist: *We lose our minds collectively, and only regain our sanity one at a time.* I think it was considered permanent because the *weapons* of psychological warfare and demoralization were *so much further advanced* than the defenses against it (at the time). But we've seen people wake up. We've seen people red-pilled or whatever the hell people want to call it these days. And that means not only is demoralization and brainwashing NOT permanent, but that there must be specific techniques to undo it. And the question is, if it can be undone individually, why not to entire groups of people or even nations? Whats stopping us from developing methods and techniques for breaking the spell entirely? I think it can be done. I know it can. If you think the same, and want to help, post here or PM me. This is an online group so you can maintain your anonymity. Discussions will be about techniques and methodologies of information dispersal and deprogramming, designing experiments, and gathering data on efficacy in the wild. This is not a post calling for any real-world organization, weapons, militia, or anything of that nature. edit: Not sure if this is the correct sub for this @AOU

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Good post, I hope this sees some movement.

The key to everything is education, knowledge, self-awareness, and the ability to scientifically examine and categorize information. Not only at the individual level, but at the group level. A vast majority of people are too scared to think about the big picture as they simply exist in their little worlds. They only consider what they see on MSM as reality and everything else possible as conspiracy. Deprogramming the NPCs will take time and needs to be done layer by layer with their full consent and their own want to understand the real world.

IMO the best way to deprogram is to make NPCs want to be deprogrammed. Meaning the reward for understanding truth is better than their reality of lies. Feeding ideas of self-improvement and motivation for their life goals and future is a way to get them thinking and start to live empowering lives of opportunity and not fear.

I would start with those closest to you, your family and friends. You will have drop redpills and truth slowly enough for them to consume and they have to be validated through their own observations. Once they realize your redpills have some validity they will start to actually deprogram themselves. I would recommend studying Social Intelligence, Emotional Intelligence and learn how to debate effectively in a non-threatening way. One term I really like is 'Social Ju Jitsu, where you are able to turn negative energy into positive energy.

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Deprogramming the NPCs will take time, and at the individual level

These are the exact parameters we want to tune, so it becomes a funnel, where we're no longer working at the individual layer, spending huge resources to deprogram people slowly over time.

What we want is techniques and methods that are

  1. fast
  2. cheap
  3. easily replicable by competent people
  4. if not simple, at least straight forward
  5. self-replicating if possible
  6. self-reinforcing
  7. affect multiple people instead of the existing serial process.

It's about scale and turn-over time.

IMO the best way to deprogram is to make NPCs want to be deprogrammed.

I am definitely interested in hearing more of your thoughts on this. Absolutely please do elaborate if or when you get more time.

What you're saying is curiosity and the desire to change are two powerful motivators?

You will have drop redpills and truth slowly enough for them to consume and they have to be validated through their own observations.

This is the old model. What I'm after is a new model.

For example people were talking about informing others and redpilling a while back, and I had a realization: The reason cognitive dissonance fails so often as a mechanism, is because theres a new defense layer built on top of that:

The sloganeering reflex. (or whatever you'd like to call it).

Think "diversity is our strength!"

"trust the science, bigot!"

Etc.

Once I realized that, it became obvious we weren't having more cogdis episodes when people were exposed to new information, because this secondary layer was blocking that function.

And by targeting and breaking that layer, we can get back to information having a useful effect on people.

But this is what I'm talking about: the old models don't work. Aren't fast enough. Aren't efficient.

And I don't think the limits that exist now ("must be slow", "must be one on one", "must be done in layers") are actual limits, but rather a lack of innovation on understanding, techniques, and methodology.

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To be frank, ignorance is bliss, the most stressful part of my life thus far was waking up. You have to be upfront that their lives will be uprooted and their old selves virtually die.

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God help us...help us lose our minds.

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I'm intrigued but one important question - how will anonymity be maintained?

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I'm intrigued but one important question - how will anonymity be maintained?

It's just a discussion group.

Experiments can largely be carried out on social media.

Any real-world experiments are easily carried out by individuals in their day to day lives.

For example, if you work in a workplace full of brainwashed people, its trivial matter to test out techniques and methods meant for deprogramming, and report the results.

Presumably we'll do confirmation tests, and refine as we go.

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Is everything going to be here on poal, or are you planning to use another platform?

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Is everything going to be here on poal, or are you planning to use another platform?

Don't know yet. The thread format is works better than real time chat.

Wiki format might be useful for documenting results though. What do you think?

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Make a sub for it

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Are we still able to start subs?

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People must be seen as two distinct groups the sheep/NPCs and the bears/PCs (what are anti-sheep called?)

Bears/PCs are maybe 5-10% of the population and the rest are sheep/NPCs. Bears are more resistant to brainwashing, sheep has virtually no resistance to brainwashing. Since sheep are much more frequent, and the majority has the most power in a retardocracy, whoever is able to influence the sheeps' brains has a lot of power.

So, maybe I'm full of shit, but I'm thinking that what the sheep wants more than anything are 2 things: 1. Sheep want to be liked 2. Sheep want to part of the trendy/winning majority

Opinions, truth and consistency has no value, and I really mean NO value at all, in themselves for sheep. Opinions only have a value for NPCs insofar it helps them to be popular.

So to brainwash them you prolly need to gives them the impression that they are disliked/hated for their leftist opinions, and/or give them the impression their side is not hip, is declining, is loosing or is in fact a minority.

For example if a sheep started doin a sport/joined some football club or something, and every single person in the club was nazi-as-fuck then I would not be surprised in the least if the sheep-fucker very shortly converted to friggin' nazism. They are sheep, they have no mental self-defense. When a sheep hears enough times thar their opinions are evil, they break down and cry, and then they convert to the winning side.

So I guess my, sort of, main point is something like this: I definitely think we can convert hordes of NPCs to our side, but this conversion never is done by a single person mano-y-mano, NPCs don't care fuck about one single person. A NPC want to be liked by the group, the community, the world or whatever. So it's all about making the NPC believe/think/know that its leftoid opinions are disliked/hated by a vast number of people.

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If you can get a hold of a HAM radio, I would love to discuss this with you. I don’t partake in anything online that would paint a target on my back, snail mail is safe for now, but even that can be intercepted. I’m small enough to get away with online comms for now, but further down the line if anyone malicious with access to MAC activity and the like, it could spell the end of my (or anyone’s) life. I only really talk in person, never anything potentially sensitive over 0’s and 1’s, I travel a lot and have my own way of what you’re describing.

Edit: right now I travel and work city to city, deprogramming easily spotted open-minded people that are easy to hit it off with. Liberals are surprisingly easy to convince if you look like a hippie, despite being full-blown conservative. Find their wavelength, synchronize with it, and convey your learnings (what woke you up). My screen name here translates to friendly synchronizer or something like that.

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If you can get a hold of a HAM radio, I would love to discuss this with you.

I'd be willing to meet up with you if you're ever in Virginia.

I keep discussions 100% legal though.

I take it that you do too, which is something I seriously appreciate and look for.

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Logic and bravery The weak are too afraid to analyze information that is scary The illogical don't even have the ability even if they wanted

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Getting people off their screens is the only way to deprogram, these days.

Short of that, making sure their screens have enough contrary information to balance out the propaganda is the next logical solution. However, as everyone has seen in the past 4 years, nothing unapproved by the satanist left is allowed to promulgate online.

Most deprogramming is actually just reprogramming into another point of view, so if you're looking for a "pure" or otherwise idealized method, there really isn't one.

Part of the problem is the destruction of empathy. Dopaminergic systems are being targeted to eliminate empathy and promote narcissism. This is happening on a neurological level to the entire world, regardless of "left" or "right" thinking. Both "sides" are being taught to be hateful.

Teaching people shortcuts to spotting scams, corruption and propaganda is another good place to start. While we, at Poal, are usually quite aware of who owns what publications and are sensitive to different agendas, most people are not.

The dumbing down of the masses is part of the problem and the sad reality is that average IQ people and lower are beyond saving. They are more susceptible to propaganda and neurolinguistic programming.

Even on Poal, I recommend being wary of over using terms that trap your mind in thought loops. While "Nigger" and "Kike" are fine, because free speech, you don't want to find yourself programmed into saying it as your first response. The fedposters are aware of this and that is how and why they neurolinguistically program the right. They are powerful terms and there is a reason they are so hated, but you don't want to be in a situation where you are presented with two unrelated facts and spit out a racist term without thinking. That is "patterning."

Patterning is how they get people to always call stuff conspiracy theories. People hear about corruption and their eyes immediately glaze over because they've been patterned.

It is always best to use specific information... literally "naming the Jew." You'll notice the fedposters/programmers refuse to actually use important names in Jewish corruption, like Edgar Bronfman and most people ahve never even heard of the Sassoon family often referred to as the "Rothschilds of the East." It is good to see Klaus Schwab getting so much press, but this is not the norm. Naming the primary pornographers is good... etc, etc. Point being, specifics are important to avoid being programmed.