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I refused it multiple times now. Still in the service but I have to admit the psychological warfare sure takes its toll on you. If they just said 'K, You're Out' after the first time then whatever but being sent everywhere to justify yourself all the time, general hazing and not knowing if you can even leave the country soon keeps me up at night.

What are those of you who refused it doing now and what awaited you?

I refused it multiple times now. Still in the service but I have to admit the psychological warfare sure takes its toll on you. If they just said 'K, You're Out' after the first time then whatever but being sent everywhere to justify yourself all the time, general hazing and not knowing if you can even leave the country soon keeps me up at night. What are those of you who refused it doing now and what awaited you?

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[–] • 17 pts

I don't know any active duty, but 3 vets I know got the shots. For years I heard from them muh corrupt gov then they lined up for this. Faggots.

[–] • 4 pts

"What's wrong with america for $500 alex"

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

👃 is the correct response.

[–] • 0 pt

I'm sorry, you forgot to phrase that in the form of a question.

Quip aside, I fucking hate faggots that post what is blah blah blah for $$, Alex? Seriously, that's totally gay behavior. Fuck off back to reddit you fecking cuuuunts.

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[–] • 0 pt

there are no soldiers anymore, simply yes men who are slaves to "muh in CUM"

[–] • 8 pts

They're going to try and forever guilt you into this, stay strong.

[–] • 5 pts

Stay strong, my friend.

[–] • 4 pts

I think the 5th Circuit just enjoined the federal employee mandate so you should be safe from them imposing it on you.

[–] • 5 pts

Unfortunately the injunction only counted for federal civilian employees. The military has less protections against things like this because the military can claim "muh national defense" to justify almost anything, even if there isn't a logical reason.

Unfortunately they have a good case because servicemen might be deployed (or fly through) somewhere that requires the jab. And this administration isn't going to do anything about it. Reagan might have been the last president who would stand up to our allies for the sake of the troops.

[–] • 2 pts

Ah, I didn't realize that it only applied to civvies.

In any case, according to Robert Barnes, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act protects military members the same as any other federal employee, and offers some of the strongest protections on the books. "National security" or whatever excuse they use is irrelevant. If they take adverse actions against you after you've filed a religious exemption request and gone through the military's legal process, then they will eventually be held accountable. Unfortunately, it will take a while for that to happen, and you might get a dishonorable discharge or some other adverse action prior to that happening. But I just checked my email from Liberty Counsel and it seems they amended their complaint regarding federal contractors and military members to add more plaintiffs to the suit: https://lc.org/newsroom/details/012122-amended-complaint-filed-in-military-and-federal-contractors-case-1

Keep holding out, man, and make sure you follow whatever process they lay out. Get a lawyer if you don't already have one, and make sure to document everything.

This is unrelated, but if you didn't already know, make sure you to go medical for every single minor complaint or injury, because when you do get discharged and you want to apply for disability compensation, you'll need medical records that show that your injuries are service-connected. Disability compensation is generally for life and it's non-taxable, and with the government raping us every which way from Sunday, there is no reason not to rape them back for as much as you can get.

[–] • 4 pts

Correct. When they had the anthrax vaccine debacle, several discharged soldiers eventually won in court, but it was years later. Their military careers were already over, and I don't know if anyone receive monetary compensation in the end.

I hope Liberty Counsel can make things happen quickly, because it doesn't matter much if you're technically right and protected by the RFRA, if your career is over.

[–] • 4 pts

Taking on to your last point.

Make sure you make and keep personal copies of your SRB and medical records.

I didnt, and mysteriously, they cant find any records on me at all.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Unfortunately the injunction only counted for federal civilian employees. The military has less protections against things like this because the military can claim "muh national defense" to justify almost anything, even if there isn't a logical reason. Unfortunately they have a good case because servicemen might be deployed (or fly through) somewhere that requires the jab. And this administration isn't going to do anything about it. Reagan might have been the last president who would stand up to our allies for the sake of the troops.

"Unfortunately" those people work their asses off 24/7/365 for the very system hell bent on sending the entire western civilization, america included, right into the toilets of history

That job comes at a cost, unfortunately

[–] • 3 pts

Stay strong brother!

[–] • 1 pt

Today I went to chipotle and saw roughly 10 or so army fucks.

Every single one of those lemmings were wearing masks!

I did not see a superior anywhere. They all looked to be the same ranking.

They and the employees were the only morons wearing that shit!

So either we live in a North Korea military where everyone is afraid of being ratted out, or they're a bunch of fucking pussies and do it at will.

[–] • 1 pt

Damn I wish I checked Poal earlier today. I'm still waiting on my papers to be denied, which I'll then have 5 calendar days to submit a rebuttal. Although he's on my side, my commander doesn't believe it'll be approve by Big Blue, and is having me get my ducks in a row for a worst case scenario. Unfortunately, my commander doesn't even know if it'll be an Honorable or a General discharge, or if it'll be left up to him, but he doesn't believe it'll be less than a General discharge.

My coworkers are on my side as well, and is my immediate supervision and my chaplain. I've been in long enough that I should get a severance package though, unless they find a way to steal that from me. Combine that with my savings and I'll be able to meander for a year looking for a career, and much longer if I have a part time job, although being single with no debt certainly helps my flexibility.

If it is denied, I'm to leave the USAF April 1st, or 5 months after notified. However, I was just shown a draft copy so it's not set in stone yet, but I figure it'll be the 5 month one since April is five months after Nov 2nd, the date we were suppose to be inoculated by.

If I do get booted, It's not too late to pick up a trade.

[–] • 0 pt

Good luck. You can always make money in trades. Funny thing is I worked in the civilian world full time for 13 years before joining so I know I can make it but of course the unknown still screws with your mind.

[–] • 1 pt

Yeah. At least you have that to fall back on. I'd probably be starting my career from square one, although I'd imagine I'd be more desirable than a 19 year old. Still, 10 years of service is not something I want to squander.

13 years is a long time to be in the civilian world before going military. Why'd you make the jump?

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

I'm obviously retarded haha. It's something I always wanted to do, but due to growing up in 2 different countries (and now living in my third), I was always torn back and forth. So before I was too old I decided to give it a go and signed up. I actually tried out for SF when I was younger but didn't make the cut and it was an overall shit experience so that put me off for a long time as well. Plus just getting in took 1.5 years cause I wanted the specific position I have now, so I had to wait until a spot was open (infantry but stationed outside of my home country). PS: I'm in Europe not US military

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

my daughter and SIL both refused, filed rel. exemptions. haven't heard anything from their commands since their "interviews." both of them are in lines of technical work that require lots of training and experience. there is no harrassment going on for my kid, but SIL was getting a ration of shit for a while. the way i see it, if they can do those jobs and eat all the shit they have to eat just so they can reach retirement, they can not only survive but prosper if they are booted.

all the refusers have to stand fast. these are the best and the brightest. the strongest and fiercest.

[–] • 0 pt

Good luck to them, if they can stick it out that's great

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

i don't think they are going to be able to keep their careers and not get the poison jab. they are both actively seeking other opportunities, really got their resumes in order and are saving every penny they can. it is going to take a miracle. currently a mrna flu vaccine is in the works. now who do you think are gonna be the lab rats for that?

[–] • 1 pt

Yep, as sad as it is to get kicked out...who knows what they will come up with next. For one boosters every six months then possibly a flu jab and with a bit of luck you'd also end up enforcing curfews somewhere with force. People forget that only 30 years ago Germany was split in half and there were overzealous assholes just following orders who would shoot you for trying to escape. Don't have to look to North Korea to find those stories.

[–] • 0 pt

WTF is your daughter doing in the military. She's probably sterile now from all the STDs she is picking up in the barracks.

[–] • 1 pt

Oy vey, how are you supposed to fight for Israel if you're expected to inject the jew serum?

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