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Compare mortgage payments to rents in your area. When you own, you pay property tax and all repairs as well.

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It's also good to check appreciation in your area, historically, I mean.

My property value has doubled since I bought it. When I bought it, my rent was around what I was paying in total for mortgage, strata fees, insurance etc. But my rent now would also be double. So in my situation I not only have a shitload of equity, but I'm paying less housing costs as well.

I live in a high cost of living city, so this isn't for everyone

I'm in a similar boat. I purchased this house somewhere around 6 years ago, and it's doubled in value. Rents have also more than doubled if you can even find a place. I live in the sticks in a town of 2600 people. I would have a hard time affording rent, but I have no problem paying an extra $400/mo on my mortgage.

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Same here, my area in Texas home prices are ridiculous, just outside a large city.

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Exactly, and that's very tempting (renting), a lot of upside.

I mean, if you had a wad of cash, would you rent and use the cash to live on, if you'll be dead in 25 years?

Especially if you had three or four other streams of income (spouse salary, social security, commission from a business)?

I dunno.

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That's like an investment call and it all depends on what you think the future holds. Do you think the bubble will burst this fall when no one has money to buy, what... do you think inflation will spike, get a home now while debt is cheap... do you think interest rates will rise? We;; that last one depends on if you are paying cash or taking a loan.

I bought a home 2 months ago with a 3.25% rate.

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>That's like an investment call and it all depends on what you think the future holds.

Exactly. I do watch a lot of Peter Schiff.

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He has predicted 15 of the last 3 recessions

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Exactly, he's about the only one I really 'trust.'

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About a year ago at 2.5% for me.

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I was looking a year ago, couldn't find the right home for me until last fall.

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Buy now, interest rates are going to be 10% or higher sooner than you can imagine. Then when the inflation skyrockets and your income catches up in a decade you can pay your house off really fucking fast.

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Hyperinflation is underway.

For what it is worth, the only protected weimar republic middle class germans were the ones who owned property.

Every other wealth was stolen

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Great advice.

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Stay safe.

Remember we are all fleeing multiple tsunamis and no one really knows the best direction to preserve life and property.

It's all best guesses but at least you are willing to commit to a decision and go for it.

Most sheep are literally I shit you not down at the beach collecting seashells wondering why the sea has receded.

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Man that is so spot on, amazing really.

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See if you qualify for a USDA home loans for "agricultural development program" you don't have to get a house in the country or on a farm. Just need o be in a county that qualifies, have a decent credit score, and be in a certain wage bracket. 0% down payment to become home owner. Just need escrow, closing costs, inspection fees. Stuff like that

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I remember that, thanks for the reminder.

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Just don't buy more house than you can afford. Think about the max you want to pay a month then deduct 300 or so from that to save for repairs, maintenance and improvements. No matter how good the inspection reports look.

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A secluded cabin you can alter to be off-grid? Maybe. Otherwise I'd rent, and maybe buy something in another country. Here property can easily be stolen/confiscated....the checks and balances are nearly gone....and in a commie coup, what little protections remain are cast aside.

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Yeah it's slightly disconcerting. And prices are crazy.

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I'm gonna get hate for this, doesn't mean it's incorrect:

Property is a liability. Why? If you don't pay on it (mortgage to the bank, taxes to the city/county/state), it's taken from you. That means if hard times come, all the money you've put into it can be wiped out. Ask the folks who tried to sell in 2009 if their property made or lost them money (I lost about $50k myself, bought for $280 sold for $230). this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, just be Educated. Warren Buffet has stated that buying his house was probably the worst financial decision he's made, but it had payoffs in other places (quality of life). It's worth understanding that this current up-trend is most likely the upswing correction from 2008~9 (and not a bubble that's about to burst).

Buying now or later is a personal decision. Some think the market is ripe for a crash, some think it's going to do nothing but go up, others think it'll be somewhere in the middle (I'm there ~ expect a fair number of banked owned, but they'll come at a trickle as the courts of overwhelmed and slow down, plus there are plenty of active buyers looking). I'd suggest looking for the Right property for you and being prepared to move when it shows up (have a home inspect located, a mortgage broker/bank/credit union lined up, etc... looking for these After you've found a property adds needless stress). How to handle the money depends 100% on the lender. I'm very much against 30 year fixed as they just never seem to be the smartest option. My last loan was a 10:1 ARM that had a 15 year payoff time. The total loan payback on that was HALF of a 30 year fixed, same loan amount. So ASK about different options, understand them. Small banks and credit unions will usually have the most flexible loans (the ARM was a small bank, this was an in-house loan product). Another benefit of a small bank/CU is that they're less likely to sell your loan (and all of your financial information) to someone else. I went through that one time, the spam was incredible. Ask about principle-only payments (some lenders allow this, some will apply "extra" payments to interest first ~ better to be principle only as it reduces the interest), go out of your way to make extra payments every year... if you're foolish enough to give the Gov free money (get a tax refund), then use this... if you're smart enough to not give them anything extra then you should be smart enough to work out how to pay a little extra on a mortgage.

It's not always smartest to buy, urban areas tend to be a dumb place to buy. The best money tends to be in properties that need work, the more work needed, the fewer people looking to buy and the bigger the discount. My best buy was a high end house from 1930, Gov foreclosure so first rights to owner-occupants (knocked out the flippers and developers), had a fair bit of damage from neglect so it wasn't move-in ready and that scared off most other buyers. It was my 4th house, and I'm an experienced DIYer so I could do the work for materials cost only... ended up spending About the same in materials as I did for the property, but spread out over a couple years (took about 5 months of busting my ass till I moved in).

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Great info, I really appreciate it.

How high a down payment would you make if you had up to 200,000 cash?

Considering building on some paid off land as well, I dunno. Would have to have well and septic.

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Another one that depends on the loan you get. Smart money is to put down just enough to get out of the PMI (more money being pissed away on nothing), I've had that as low as 10% down and as high as 20% down. Another thing to ask after is if you can manage your own insurance/taxes (otherwise the bike will take excess money from you to hold for those payments, you get the money back but I'm a fucking responsible adult and can do this myself).

As for buying vs building, I'm starting a building right now (shop) and it's Absolutely cheaper to buy something that's already built. By a long ways. You're also going to run into limitations with city/county codes (minimum size so they can tax the shit out of you... min for my county is TWICE what I live comfortably in now), nevermind the headache of actually building. There are all sorts of supply-chain issues, huge demand (and low supply of builders), it's just a bad time to be building anything. If you can manage, buy what you need... if building seems to be the only option, try Alternative routes (barndomium type thing), if it's a Really rural/secluded place it's possible you could just put up a "shop" building and build out a residence inside that's off the record.... just understand you won't have any kind of insurance protection.

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Thanks again, yeah building is a headache as it is and then the supply issues and price points, aarrrgh.

My kid had his house built, finished a few months ago, he survived but it was a real pain, and more of course than he initially anticipated.

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Totally get it, that a house should not be, necessarily, or at all, considered an asset, though some are lucky and do well.

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If you cant get it in full in cash dont buy wait for the collapse and rebirth. When the commies finish with us anything you get is a blessing sinc3 theyre going take your shit anyways

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I hear ya, sucks.

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Buy gold silver or land that seems useless. Some will hills and m9unds can still farm or work the labd just more work. Build said house inside said hills tell no one be happy you own what commies didnt know exisited

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Housing market is overdue for correction. You'll be able to buy a recently built foreclosure in a year or so, if you're still employed.

On the flipside, if you buy now you may be able to keep it despite being 'under water' on the valuation once hyperinflation really takes off.

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Yeah, it's crazy. I need a crystal ball. Thanks.

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Both a housing collapse and hyperinflation are coming. The only question is how soon. Could be six months, could be 18 months. One will result in the other.

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Absolutely. I have gold, and freeze dried food if needed.

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