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If the underlying layers are completely hosed, how reliable or safe can these apps really be? Even assuming full blown TLS and SSL, I'm still not convinced these apps are that good. For example, Signal doesnt allow you to set a conversation password or cert, which makes me think it's nothing more than giving false hope to idiots

If the underlying layers are completely hosed, how reliable or safe can these apps really be? Even assuming full blown TLS and SSL, I'm still not convinced these apps are that good. For example, Signal doesnt allow you to set a conversation password or cert, which makes me think it's nothing more than giving false hope to idiots

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[–] 1 pt

My elaboration.

If you are using signal on an android phone and come to the attention of the Enemy either personally or as part of the group.

They have the power to replace the open source signal app with their own fork that will share conversations with spy agencies. Users will be none the wiser.

And all this is automated. Ai read conversations looking for key words.

Meaning you don't have to be important for them to spy. Probably just being a known white male conservative or right winger.

When you use Android you are using a spy tool. Nothing else can over come that.

[–] 2 pts

Excellent point!

If you are "an interesting person", you'd better be using a rooted device without access to the google play store.