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If the underlying layers are completely hosed, how reliable or safe can these apps really be? Even assuming full blown TLS and SSL, I'm still not convinced these apps are that good. For example, Signal doesnt allow you to set a conversation password or cert, which makes me think it's nothing more than giving false hope to idiots

If the underlying layers are completely hosed, how reliable or safe can these apps really be? Even assuming full blown TLS and SSL, I'm still not convinced these apps are that good. For example, Signal doesnt allow you to set a conversation password or cert, which makes me think it's nothing more than giving false hope to idiots

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"Are you paying for the service? No? Then, you are not the customer - you are the product."

Once upon a time this was reliable, but with the coming of M$, not so much anymore. With their products (in particular Win 8, 10 &11), you not only pay for them, but still become the product. I see other companies beginning to follow the same business model.