I am going to say what I see with movements here and how things go sideways. Let us assume a movement starts honestly. First, a bunch of honest people get together and try to organize into a coherent body. This can take months. During that time, people who want the glory and to bee written down in history books try to take power. From what I have seen, these people tend to have little or no leadership qualities, and should be relegated to menial tasks and told they are super important to the role. That being said, if diligent leaders do not do this, said people tend to alienate good people, until said person is at the top of the power structure. If that happens, movement over. If this happens, opposition agents tend to endear themselves to said person, and start to control the group through said persons incompetence. At that point, media can be alerted, as the group now does erratic, stupid things. If the leader is able to herd the cats, then the opposition attempts to smear the leader in hopes of removing that one person or few people from power. If that happens, they install a useful idiot, and bilk the group body of all power and money, all the while casting them in a poor light. If the leader succeeds in quelling the power hungry, and does not get ousted by opposition, then opposition tends to smear the group as a whole, painting them as wackos, loonies, or cult, etc... If none of these opposition tactics work, then opposition swipes the group out, as it has become a legitimate threat. Further thoughts on the subject of groups: I have watched the occupy wall street bunch, and have concluded that the first explanation happened. They could not come up with ANY coherent arguments. I have watched Oathkeepers, and believe the first and last explanation has occurred. It started with a simple message, and became controlled opposition/ demonized by media. I believe Q Anon is an evolution of controlled opposition. I believe it is/was a way to control discontent from the start. I'm not saying that the people who bought into Q are bad or dumb. I see a large group of good people who are/were looking for a means to assemble, but lacked leadership, and hope/d that it was real. Any people who wish to form a group should be able to, but as Kaczynski said, (On technology) "You cannot separate the good from the bad."