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This is why I don't like these types of discussions. Because people generally are very biased and refuse to have impartial detachment. They "know" and don't want to hear anything which contradicts what they "know."

There was plenty of killing and inhuman treatment and events on both sides. Your comment implies otherwise. While the real final solution was free transport to Madagascar, not genocide, it is very dishonest to pretend horrors didn't exist. Even the allies had plenty of horrors swept under the rug.

Unless someone is claiming Jews are the smartest humans on the planet, Dr. Mangala did some inhuman, fucked up experiments. Yes, I've seen the lies that those are lies. Don't start lying, claiming I don't know.

The fact is, his experiments did move medical science forward - by decades. Which means either "Jews faked the reports by providing accurate frauds decades ahead of anyone else, making them the smartest people on the planet", or Mangala really did his experiments.

Trivial to reach a sane conclusion. Especially given the whole body of work. Making it all but impossible to fake.

The truth is, it's irrelevant if Hitler was a good guy, bad guy, bad guy gone rogue, or misunderstood puppet. The fact is, he proved instrumental in destroying the world created by Aryans and shaming our history and cultures. Nazi is the number one reason people believe swastikas are a nazi thing, even though they (swastikas) have thousands of years of associated history, recording right and divinity of caucasians (Scythian/Aryan).

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The OP asked if Hitler was evil, and I'm specifically talking about Hitler and the National Socialist party. What individual soldiers, doctors, or others, within the NatSoc party did, is historically relevant, but not relevant to my point, which was that Hitler wasn't evil. Mengele(not Mangala) doesn't represent the party or it's goals. If he committed atrocities against innocent people, he's evil.

Are you blaming Hitler for the fall of the West? I can't tell.

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I'd say that's a reasonable reply. Thank you.

That said, Hitler knew what was going on. His leadership style was diffused responsibility for results. Meaning you let people do whatever, so long as you see results. Hitler knew well people were being treated as horrific experiments. This is lacking in morality. Even his own Air Force saw honor in war. With examples of escorts for defeated aircrews and so on. There was no honor in what was permitted by many of his underlings. And it requires seeing people as nothing but base animals. Something of humanity and the Aryan spirit was missing.

Does that make him evil? I dunno. The shit Jews did to the German people hardens any informed, moral person. Maybe it is walk a mile... But it certainly doesn't make him good. Maybe he rationalized? Maybe whatever... that's the problem.

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Well, that's something I'm not aware of, is Hitler's knowledge of what was happening in Auschwitz at that point. Mengele had been a legitimate doctor and researcher before the war, and he wasn't the top guy at the camp or anything. By the time he got to Auschwitz, Germany was well into WWII, and Hitler may have had much more important things on his mind. I tried finding correspondence between them but couldn't.

And, I'm just "assuming" for the sake of this argument that the charges against Mengele are true, which I'm not certain all of them are. We're told the gas chambers were used to kill millions of jews....when in fact they were almost certainly used to treat them for lice. They turned legitimate and common medical treatment into an atrocity. So I just can't say. I lean toward something in the middle. Regardless, I doubt Hitler even know who Mengele was.

But it's a tangled mess, for sure.