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So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass.

So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them.

  1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most.

  2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders.

I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass.

Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia.

My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail.

But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no.

Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass. So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them. 1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most. 2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders. I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass. Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia. My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail. But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no. Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

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[–] • 1 pt

This is silly, always put your career ahead of Internet drama, which is all this is.

we need people to stand up and say no

There is no “we” in this, you make your own decision for your own body, not to get likes and clapping from a bunch of Internet clowns

[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

This is not happening in a vacuum. The tyrants are trying to control as many people as possible, and are only emboldened by everyone who agrees (or pretends to agree).

[–] • 2 pts

Those with families, are easily controlled.

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The tyrants are trying to control as many people as possible

OR

it's just yet anther vaccine in a long history of vaccines... in the past this was never a matter of internet debate, you just got on with it because nobody was dumb enough to voluntarily die of polio or measles.

Now, everyone is a biological warfare expert, it's a fucking sad joke.

The OP may or may not get sick, he may or may not die, but what is fairly certain is that he will get browbeaten into going along with the Poal Clown Show and lose his job/career over essentially nothing, nobody here actually gives a shit other than they got another random to agree with their tinfoil drama party.

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Funny thing is, if the vax was merely offered to everyone and no lockdowns or masks and the military had to take it no-one would question it. But what makes over 30% of the population that hasn't taken it sceptic is that it is forced down our throat, in record time, with very little testing, adverse effects more than all the other vaccines over the last 30 years combined (some 2.5million cases I believe), and of course lockdowns, curfews, and masks. All of which is changed at will. Doesn't seem like it's just another vax. So I get your point, but taking peoples right to go to church or buy bread at the bakery over a virus with 0.some percent kill rate is just ridiculous.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

another vaccine

False. This is experimental gene therapy.

What is the under-reporting factor (URF) for adverse effects? The shots are not safe.

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I wouldn't call it the "poal clown show" to refuse, rather being pragmatic. And I sure as hell wouldn't call getting the jab "nothing".