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So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass.

So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them.

  1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most.

  2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders.

I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass.

Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia.

My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail.

But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no.

Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass. So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them. 1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most. 2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders. I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass. Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia. My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail. But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no. Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

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[–] • 18 pts

Make them fire you

[–] • 5 pts

Simple and to the point, thanks. Got lots going through my head right now.

[–] • 10 pts (edited )

Dude, a few months ago, at great expense and stress, I moved from a place that was totally insane with virus rules, to a place 4500 miles away where life is normal. It was a pain in the ass, but my life is better than ever, in every way. The move wasn't fun, but the end result absolutely justified it. Imagine the shit our ancestors went through..

[–] • 4 pts

I am envious. I am very interested in where life is better so that I can move there ASAP

[–] • 3 pts

The impossible life in Britain in the 1700's for those without the king's patronage was why millions got on ships to America. You are a modern pioneer.

[–] • 2 pts

Doing the same thing. In the middle of the move at this moment. I quit my job because i would not give them a clot shot status. In retro, should have made them fire me. In the normal place were moving to, have already secured a job. Not saying it is easy, but it can be done.

[–] • 2 pts

I did that one year ago, CA to TX. It's night and day difference. Haven't had to deal with any jewflu rules for 6 months now.

[–] • 0 pt

Where did you move from/to?

[–] • 3 pts

I'm in your position and I simply quit without explaining why. But I quit exactly on the date they required proof of the vaxx.

[–] • 2 pts

Yep, same here. I even got 3 more email after my resignation asking why I quit and would I expand on why I resigned.

[–] • 1 pt

In the military you have a contract that you can't quit though. That's the thing, on top of them being able to crush your life in just about every way if they want to - monetary fines, jail and a criminal record.

[–] • 0 pt

Careful with the dishonorable discharge, it might make it very difficult for you to find a job in private sector. Are you in Europe?

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

Military discharge only matters if you admit to being ex-military. Might keep you from working for government, but not private sector. Speaking from experience. In the little box on applications, I always said no. Never once bit me in the ass.

Don't ask, don't tell. Learned that from the military.

[–] • 1 pt

Yep, central western europe. Don't want to doxx myself though.

[–] • 5 pts

It is very quickly escalating to a point where people’s lives are being shattered from the mandates all over the globe. We are not far from a point where people have very few non-violent alternatives.

[–] • 1 pt

Agreed! Reasoning with the devil is not working out. So what else is there when the devil only understands violence?

[–] • 4 pts

I figure it won't hurt to add another:

Be honest, don't take it, let them fire you.

Seek God, pray, increase your connection with him. He will guide those who love him, but he can't do it if you can't hear his spirit.

God bless you and yours.

[–] • 3 pts

A man without honor is nothing. Be honest.

[–] • 3 pts

Morals and honor, these two things are missing from 50 % of our population

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

I don't know enough about the military to answer however I do think if you can keep yourself jab free for as long as possible there is a good chance it will be generally recognized as harmful and no longer be forced. We are seeing that some places.

Of course for the globalists this has been known but they seem to be unable to fight a certain level of knowledgeable resistance. Perhaps they feel a short term violent outbreak will upset their long term plans which call for them to wait until most of the vaxxed die in 5 years. So they are going for getting as many vaxxed as possible but not pushing it to the point of violence now.

They always think very very long term. Decades not months. If they can wipe out 70% of population without starting a war that causes their downfall then they won't go for 100% which might cause a war and their downfall.

The medical evidence coming out and talked about by a few brave doctors seems pretty clear the jab will kill or cripple you in an average of 5 years via both heart and immune degradation. It's irreversible. Might as well inject yourself with terminal cancer cells.

So avoid it.

Remember if true what ever society rules exist now will probably not exist in 5 yrs. Dishonorable discharge would probably not even be on spectrum of consideration as people try to keep power plants running etc.

[–] • 3 pts

LIE. Fuck everybody. Do whatever you want. Everybody else is the same. Look out for number one at all costs.

[–] • 1 pt

Bearing false witness is a sin against God.

[–] • 1 pt

This is silly, always put your career ahead of Internet drama, which is all this is.

we need people to stand up and say no

There is no “we” in this, you make your own decision for your own body, not to get likes and clapping from a bunch of Internet clowns

[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

This is not happening in a vacuum. The tyrants are trying to control as many people as possible, and are only emboldened by everyone who agrees (or pretends to agree).

[–] • 2 pts

Those with families, are easily controlled.

[–] • 0 pt

The tyrants are trying to control as many people as possible

OR

it's just yet anther vaccine in a long history of vaccines... in the past this was never a matter of internet debate, you just got on with it because nobody was dumb enough to voluntarily die of polio or measles.

Now, everyone is a biological warfare expert, it's a fucking sad joke.

The OP may or may not get sick, he may or may not die, but what is fairly certain is that he will get browbeaten into going along with the Poal Clown Show and lose his job/career over essentially nothing, nobody here actually gives a shit other than they got another random to agree with their tinfoil drama party.

[–] • 0 pt

Funny thing is, if the vax was merely offered to everyone and no lockdowns or masks and the military had to take it no-one would question it. But what makes over 30% of the population that hasn't taken it sceptic is that it is forced down our throat, in record time, with very little testing, adverse effects more than all the other vaccines over the last 30 years combined (some 2.5million cases I believe), and of course lockdowns, curfews, and masks. All of which is changed at will. Doesn't seem like it's just another vax. So I get your point, but taking peoples right to go to church or buy bread at the bakery over a virus with 0.some percent kill rate is just ridiculous.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

another vaccine

False. This is experimental gene therapy.

What is the under-reporting factor (URF) for adverse effects? The shots are not safe.

[–] • 0 pt

I wouldn't call it the "poal clown show" to refuse, rather being pragmatic. And I sure as hell wouldn't call getting the jab "nothing".

[–] • 1 pt

They aren't going to arrest you. They'll probably fire you. The post war military needs to be cut. This is a way to get people that won't listen to stupid orders out.

[–] • 1 pt

Do not lie to the government - they can put in prison for that.

Openly refuse, and if they let you go then so be it.

You can always work as a private military contractor and make a hell of a lot more money.

Besides, a private crew might be better for the SHTF scenario.

Probably guarding some rich property somewhere.

Somewhere with a swimming pool and bikini chicks.

Washing down some poolside BBQ with cold beer.

There are worse ways to ride through the apocalypse.

[–] • 1 pt

Haha, I've been looking for pmc jobs but they usually require 1 year combat experience in the place where the job is as well as US citizenship which I don't have. But maybe I'll be able to go to south africa and help a white farmer somewhere.

[–] • 1 pt

I’m more in the make them fire your camp but in regards to honesty it’s a social contract. One they’ve already violated by acting in bad faith towards you so you don’t owe them honesty.

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