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I was talking to someone yesterday from church. They had mentioned that because I have a wicked sinful heart, that any and all external acts of benevolence to others was for nothing, and that I was still a terrible person at heart. The idea is that I am over compensating for being a terrible person by appearing to be nice. Essentially, his argument was that even though I had to be nice to him, I should never assume that the generosity will be recognized or awarded. This made me think, clearly me helping others is falling on deaf ears, which then makes me think why should I bother?

I was talking to someone yesterday from church. They had mentioned that because I have a wicked sinful heart, that any and all external acts of benevolence to others was for nothing, and that I was still a terrible person at heart. The idea is that I am over compensating for being a terrible person by appearing to be nice. Essentially, his argument was that even though I had to be nice to him, I should never assume that the generosity will be recognized or awarded. This made me think, clearly me helping others is falling on deaf ears, which then makes me think why should I bother?

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[–] 5 pts (edited )

He's just telling you the doctrine of original sin and total depravity of man, taught by the Reformers as ensconced (where's a thesaurus when you need one) in the scriptures.

You are dead in trespasses and sins, good works won't save you. You must be born again for God to accept your good works. So as they say, it is a sin for an unconverted man to pray, and a sin not to.

Just because it's complicated and makes not a lot of sense to us doesn't make it untrue. Research 'sovereignty of God and responsibility of man.'

[–] 1 pt

If this was posted in Christianity I'd keep my mouth shut, but since we're in general population I can't help but point out the striking resemblance to backwards jew logic here.

It's basically, good people are actually bad people if they don't follow our narrative. And bad people are actually good people as long as they are subservient to us.

This is why Volkish Pagans say that Christianity primes us for subversion, because this core Christian concept is a direct parallel for modern day subversive ideas - just replace racism for baptism and its the exact same logic, and it's easier to accept if you've spent your life convincing yourself that this is somehow possible.

[–] 1 pt

Whatever, is it true or not is the important thing.

[–] 1 pt

I agree the truth of it is important, and I'm confused why you would say whatever like your soul isn't important, and the fate of your people isn't important, and being lied to and manipulated isn't important. If I'm right or if I'm wrong it's not whatever.

I've given a reason why anyone who hasn't really thought about this should at least think about that. Call it a test of faith if you want our just use it to tighten up your beliefs but there's a reason this is difficult to answer.

I understand if you're devout and disagree with me, and I see White Christians as brothers and allies first and foremost. But to claim you're a Christian yet the fate of your soul, the question of following a religion that is true or subverted by evil is just "whatever" !? That pisses me off.

[–] -2 pt

good works won't save you. You must be born again for God to accept your good works.

And this right here is why organised religion is a crock of shit. Who the fuck cares if you pray to an inanimate being if the good deeds are exactly the same?

[–] 4 pts

Yeah, depravity of man is a hated doctrine. But because we hate it doesn't make it untrue. And organized religion is not the same as Christianity.

[–] -1 pt

doesn't make it untrue

Considering that gods do not exist, I'd say it does. If they existed you wouldn't have fuckwits running the show right now.