This is also good advice. I don't have a high opinion of most therapists, but I do come across good ones, here and there. I'm more of a neuroscientist, at heart, so I disagree with talking stuff to death. Once everything has been unpacked and the intellectual tools are there, few therapists seem to be able to get people to the next step to apply those intellectual tools. It isn't entirely their fault, of course. That's why I felt... and it has been borne out to some degree... that removing people from the enabling environment is the best solution. In essence, it is the common sense of imprisoning people who are a danger to themselves. If I have to dabble in therapy, I prefer the Schema Therapy and "Life Trap" strategizing. And, with this individual, we have done all of that. They've acknowledged the past, they've acknowledged they have a problem. They've made forward movement in interpersonal realms, but I think we have seen a new mastery of putting a good face on things, appearing steady to everyone... but when it comes to the home life, the facade is in pieces. I prioritize quality of life for myself and and my immediate family before all else. Your advice is pretty good in that everyone can use a little of the right therapy. For example, most people could use a little advice on how to get a good night's sleep. It's the easiest thing to improve your quality of life; to commit to being well rested. A lot of times, this is where many people need to start. Router on a timer. No devices in the bedroom. The corporate totalitarian state is actually doing everything it can to keep everyone sleep deprived. Market forces encourage it, never mind the additional layers of propaganda. Sleep deprivation is the first step in brainwashing people, as well. It's easier to stray from normality set points when you are chronically under rested. Generally, it's about controlling your reaction, at first. Then, it's about avoidant strategies. Staying away from A, B, C, people, places, things, as is reasonable, then it is about gaining a better understanding where other people are coming from (this is where people usually want to start, of course). But that's where most people kind of top out. If you get past all that, it's about ritualizing success. Mapping out your ideal day, week, month, year, 5y, 10y - 100y. Building momentum from a healthy regiment shows itself in the first few days. Eventually, that momentum takes over. I'm always careful to protect my momentum. Other than that, I feel like it's a case by case basis. While there is always room for improvement, I feel pretty grounded relative to most people. This covid bullshit has been rough on everyone, though, I ain't gonna lie. There is seemingly a campaign to drive everyone crazy. They started with hoarders and the hypochondriacs and have moved onto compulsives and is slowly moving into every phobia there is, eager to create new ones. Steady as she goes. But yeah, I'm basically here planning on how to steer this without getting overly invested. I've already put a lot of work into this and other people are more deserving of my help that I'd like to move onto. I just already have the sense it's not going to be great. I don't want to have this conversation again with another person. We've all lost people... some of us more recently than others... and I need time to process those losses for myself. I've seen people go down this road. This person knows what the end of that road looks like. They've seen others do it. I'm already a little mentally exhausted on other projects, as well. How much can you help a person before you realize your pounding sand? I'm at that point. I've pounded about as much sand as I'm gonna pound. I can't hold an adult's hand 24/7. And if I am, it's gonna be my wife's before it's gonna be anyone else's. It is time for this person to relocate, I'm thinking. But, it won't be any good if there is access to, basically, anything. Even the Internet. Prison is what comes to mind first, and I wouldn't be surprised that's coming if I do nothing.