Rehab is for quitters.
Rehab is for quitters.
Chain them in a basement for detox, keep them hydrated, let them piss and shit in a bucket and bed baths to keep clean. 90 day lockdown.
Chain them in a basement for detox, keep them hydrated, let them piss and shit in a bucket and bed baths to keep clean.
90 day lockdown.
south america - Ayahuasca
south america - Ayahuasca
What exactly is the situation at hand?
What exactly is the situation at hand?
Family member spiraling, a bit. Isolating.
I see all the signs coming.
I've set aside blocks of time on a number of occasions, to help.
Emotional trauma. Generally lazy, as well. Hoarding.
He is getting more and more annoyed at attempts of others to be nice and help. Starting to sense a negative edge to it. A lot of resentment and anger under the surface.
Started to get more and more snippy about cleaning. Every time I stop by, I just clean, because there isn't really any place to sit comfortably. The roaches are starting to take over.
It's beyond; stop by for 15 - 30 minutes, clean up a bit and come back in a couple of days. I stayed over for a couple of days and cleaned the whole place. Found a significant amount of drugs. A wild guess... maybe a quarter kilo of powder? Not a dealer, either, that I'm aware. It all seems to be a personal stash. I'm not opposed to flushing it, but it might be like flushing the price of a car.
Two days later, it was worse then ever. The mess is accumulating at a staggering rate. It's going to be uninhabitable in a few weeks, if it keeps up. No trash has been taken out in months. Had to drive it all to a dumpster.
I just don't have time to 24/7 babysit a grown ass man.
I have a cabin that I let people stay at, when they need help. But, it proved ineffective. In the past, it had no Internet, no cell service and no close place to shop. Mail also did not deliver. In the last couple of years, the area has gentrified. It is no longer an "off the grid" type of location.
This person is addicted to everything, seemingly. The Internet. Sugar. Fast food. Porn. Escorts.
I'm not really sure where to stash them that eliminates all that... except for incarceration.
Family member spiraling, a bit. Isolating.
I see all the signs coming.
I've set aside blocks of time on a number of occasions, to help.
Emotional trauma. Generally lazy, as well. Hoarding.
He is getting more and more annoyed at attempts of others to be nice and help. Starting to sense a negative edge to it. A lot of resentment and anger under the surface.
Started to get more and more snippy about cleaning. Every time I stop by, I just clean, because there isn't really any place to sit comfortably. The roaches are starting to take over.
It's beyond; stop by for 15 - 30 minutes, clean up a bit and come back in a couple of days. I stayed over for a couple of days and cleaned the whole place. Found a significant amount of drugs. A wild guess... maybe a quarter kilo of powder? Not a dealer, either, that I'm aware. It all seems to be a personal stash. I'm not opposed to flushing it, but it might be like flushing the price of a car.
Two days later, it was worse then ever. The mess is accumulating at a staggering rate. It's going to be uninhabitable in a few weeks, if it keeps up. No trash has been taken out in months. Had to drive it all to a dumpster.
I just don't have time to 24/7 babysit a grown ass man.
I have a cabin that I let people stay at, when they need help. But, it proved ineffective. In the past, it had no Internet, no cell service and no close place to shop. Mail also did not deliver. In the last couple of years, the area has gentrified. It is no longer an "off the grid" type of location.
This person is addicted to everything, seemingly. The Internet. Sugar. Fast food. Porn. Escorts.
I'm not really sure where to stash them that eliminates all that... except for incarceration.
You aren’t going to fix this. Locking the person up in a cabin won’t fix it. Badgering them won’t. I’m sure by now the individual in question is more than immune to the admonishments of family members.
I don’t know the guys story but I haven’t seen a hard addiction that didn’t come with a history of trauma. If I were to offer any advice it would be to gently direct him to a therapist. If he does have a history that involves trauma the best place to go would be to hit Psychology Today and look for a Therapist that specializes in trauma. Pick though and have him find one that fits him. They may eventually refer him to an addiction specialist or to some form of in-patient rehab. What is important is to start heading down the road to processing what it is that is manifesting itself in the self destructive behaviors. Again, YOU aren’t going to fix this. That job is for him and the professional he chooses to help guide him through the process (and it is a process).
Opioid addiction, like alcohol addiction, is a tough one to crack. If the guy in question is intelligent enough to recognize an opportunity to get free from the addiction AND if he even wants to take that opportunity he at least stands a chance.
Good luck to him and to you.
*You* aren’t going to fix this. Locking the person up in a cabin won’t fix it. Badgering them won’t. I’m sure by now the individual in question is more than immune to the admonishments of family members.
I don’t know the guys story but I haven’t seen a hard addiction that didn’t come with a history of trauma. If I were to offer any advice it would be to gently direct him to a therapist. If he does have a history that involves trauma the best place to go would be to hit Psychology Today and look for a Therapist that specializes in trauma. Pick though and have him find one that fits him. They may eventually refer him to an addiction specialist or to some form of in-patient rehab. What is important is to start heading down the road to processing what it is that is manifesting itself in the self destructive behaviors. Again, YOU aren’t going to fix this. That job is for him and the professional he chooses to help guide him through the process (and it is a process).
Opioid addiction, like alcohol addiction, is a tough one to crack. If the guy in question is intelligent enough to recognize an opportunity to get free from the addiction AND if he even wants to take that opportunity he at least stands a chance.
Good luck to him and to you.
Good advice.
Indeed, I read up quite a bit and found a therapist, who is published, whose works I generally agree with.
I did put them in touch with each other. They have been having sessions for about a year. The therapy has been helping in certain realms, but he lies to the therapist and just plays the blame game. Whatever progress was made there, I feel like the returns are rapidly diminishing.
I suppose it's time to recommend a new therapist.
Is it a dick move to communicate ex parte with someone's therapist? I suppose I've done worse. I just don't want to do it in a misguided way.
Good advice.
Indeed, I read up quite a bit and found a therapist, who is published, whose works I generally agree with.
I did put them in touch with each other. They have been having sessions for about a year. The therapy has been helping in certain realms, but he lies to the therapist and just plays the blame game. Whatever progress was made there, I feel like the returns are rapidly diminishing.
I suppose it's time to recommend a new therapist.
Is it a dick move to communicate ex parte with someone's therapist? I suppose I've done worse. I just don't want to do it in a misguided way.
Coming from a person with absolutely zero experience, make a note of this...
I believe it is all down to the circle? If this person hanged around successful, sober people they would influence him.
Ifbhe hangs around with people that enable him.. He just becomes worse amd worse.
They need a healthy hobby to keep them distracted. Ifbyou could fet them to the gym... It d be excellent.
But again.. Zero experience here.
There are help lines you can call and ask for more help.
Coming from a person with absolutely zero experience, make a note of this...
I believe it is all down to the circle? If this person hanged around successful, sober people they would influence him.
Ifbhe hangs around with people that enable him.. He just becomes worse amd worse.
They need a healthy hobby to keep them distracted. Ifbyou could fet them to the gym... It d be excellent.
But again.. Zero experience here.
There are help lines you can call and ask for more help.
Mostly, there are good people around. There is only one problem person. I think we are seeing an isolation phase.
Gym has helped, but this person really needs to fix the diet. The gym just isn't doing it, at all.
The help lines generally try to get you to a facility to get help. So, there is a little market finagling people, there. I mean... most of them are fine, depending on who you are dealing with. My main concern with those services is that addicts meet other addicts and learn other addicts' tricks. It's really obnoxious to deal with an addict, once they've learned a lot of those shitty little strategies.
Mostly, there are good people around. There is only one problem person. I think we are seeing an isolation phase.
Gym has helped, but this person really needs to fix the diet. The gym just isn't doing it, at all.
The help lines generally try to get you to a facility to get help. So, there is a little market finagling people, there. I mean... most of them are fine, depending on who you are dealing with. My main concern with those services is that addicts meet other addicts and learn other addicts' tricks. It's really obnoxious to deal with an addict, once they've learned a lot of those shitty little strategies.
Reality is for people that can't handle drugs
Reality is for people that can't handle drugs
The problem comes from them not wanting to change. If they truly want to change, but can't, then help is warranted. If they really don't care, then anything you do will be useless until you get them to want the change.
The problem comes from them not wanting to change. If they truly want to change, but can't, then help is warranted. If they really don't care, then anything you do will be useless until you get them to want the change.
Cheap? Fuck no I wouldn't do that.
Cheap? Fuck no I wouldn't do that.
They tried to make me go to rehab and I said no no no!
They tried to make me go to rehab and I said no no no!
I hope there’s a way. I haven’t seen it. We failed. I wish you better ouch and if anything works, let us know.
I hope there’s a way. I haven’t seen it. We failed. I wish you better ouch and if anything works, let us know.
Move to other side of the country.
Move to other side of the country.
Long duration overlanding road trips have helped me get a few friends and loved ones clean.
Drive them out to the middle of bum fuck no where where they have no vices or distractions and are forced to confront themselves.
Then give them some basic field craft and survival skills and let them rediscover themselves. I find that some of the books from RW Emerson and Edward Abbey can can be extremely impactful in these environments as well.
Long duration overlanding road trips have helped me get a few friends and loved ones clean.
Drive them out to the middle of bum fuck no where where they have no vices or distractions and are forced to confront themselves.
Then give them some basic field craft and survival skills and let them rediscover themselves. I find that some of the books from RW Emerson and Edward Abbey can can be extremely impactful in these environments as well.
I have adopted a similar strategy in the past for a couple of others. It seems to be helpful.
Any good examples of "bum fuck nowhere"?
It is getting harder and harder to escape cell range and modern conveniences.
This person will call any number of enablers to rescue them, so cell service is a big No No.
I have adopted a similar strategy in the past for a couple of others. It seems to be helpful.
Any good examples of "bum fuck nowhere"?
It is getting harder and harder to escape cell range and modern conveniences.
This person will call any number of enablers to rescue them, so cell service is a big No No.
This time of year I would head to the high deserts of SW Utah and Northern Arizona.
An area like Boulder Utah is hundreds of miles from anything and is relatively close to the Escalante and or the Henry Mountains which can provide literally months of exploration to lose yourself in.
If you are more easterly then the Appalachian trail is a solid few weeks of backcountry travel.
This time of year I would head to the high deserts of SW Utah and Northern Arizona.
An area like Boulder Utah is hundreds of miles from anything and is relatively close to the Escalante and or the Henry Mountains which can provide literally months of exploration to lose yourself in.
If you are more easterly then the Appalachian trail is a solid few weeks of backcountry travel.
I've done some legs of the Appalachian Trail. It's probably a bit advanced for this person.
Boulder, Utah is a great suggestion. Weather is probably pretty optimal atm.
Thank you.
I've done some legs of the Appalachian Trail. It's probably a bit advanced for this person.
Boulder, Utah is a great suggestion. Weather is probably pretty optimal atm.
Thank you.
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