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[–] [deleted] 7 pts

THEY CREATED THEFUCKINGVIRUS, SO THEY HAVE A SAMPLE.

The west has never isolated SARS, therefore no true vaccine could be made.

[–] 3 pts

Yea I believe sinovac is an attenuated virus vaccine. China has put out several though

[–] 2 pts

it is not attenuated it is inactivated

[–] 4 pts

Yea that is correct my bad. Definitely think a safer option than mnra vaccines.

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A strong counter argument is that inactivated vaccines do not usually induce a significant immune response so they are frequently ineffective. But you're right, safety should be a very important consideration when making choices about your health. No matter what you choose you are in some way rolling the dice. Questioning everything and making your own informed decisions is the best path, anyone that withholds information or shuts down discussion should not be trusted.

Russia's is inactivated virus, right?

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It's not.

Or if it is it's because they created the virus are the only ones with it isolated

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Becrause we cleate sa vilus lound eye.⁰

Covax from Australia also i believe. Currently under major trials.

[–] -2 pt (edited )

Its not an inactivated virus vaccine.

Its an mrna vaccine that codes a message telling your body to have an immune response to a spike protein, that your body creates.

There is no virus in the shot.

[–] 3 pts

I want you to realize how painful it is to watch someone be so ignorant that they not only negligently announce that an accurate statement (that China's vaccine is an inactivated virus) is false, but then absurdly make abjectly incorrect statements to compound the misinformation you vomit out.

China uses the vaccine made by Sinovac Biotech Ltd (a China based biopharmaceutical company). The vaccine they produce is in fact an inactivated whole-virion vaccine.

It is not an mRNA vaccine (such as the vaccine made by Pfizer and Moderna). It is not a weakened adenovirus (common cold) vaccine (such as the vaccine made by Johnson and Johnson and the vaccine made by Oxford-AstraZenica). It is also not a protein subunit vaccine (like the TAK-019 protein subunit vaccine being developed by Novavax, an american company, which is in my opinion most similar to the tried and true safest way traditional vaccines were made in the past. Japan has already signed an agreement with Novavax to purchase 150 million doses of that, i wonder why they are so interested in that one...)

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I somehow read the question as Chinavirus vaccine

By the way, your usage of the words "abjectly incorrect" "compound misinformation" "negligently announce" and "painfully ignorant" is actually perfect here. It demonstrates marvelously that you're self-aware of your own subpar wit needing to be propped up with a thesaurus. Keep up the great work, faggot.

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No I just read books as a child :)

[–] 2 pts

Your right kinda. The China Vax is a normal vaccine.

There are different vaccines per nation. The US has the Ph/Mod and J&J. The Ph/Mod are mRNA.

Russia and China use a regular inactivated virus. Very ineffective. But the placebo effect has gotten nations who take it back to normal.

The AZ is used in Europe, Australia and others. It's made from the same sequences and mRNA tech as the Ph/Mod.

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Who says it's ineffective?

How many Chinese has covid killed again vs Americans?

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He’s saying that historically, inactivated virus vaccines have been poorly effective. I don’t think he is necessarily postulating about how well this particular one is doing. But maybe he is following the efficacy, I know I’m not, but mostly because I doubt I could trust any data that China releases about it. He’s right that they have never performed very well when attempted in the past.

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a regular inactivated virus. Very ineffective

Surely you realize almost every vaccine made before 2020 was a "regular inactivated virus" vaccine. Why is that suddenly ineffective now?

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He probably realizes that almost every vaccine was an attenuated (weakened) virus vaccine. Those are more effective than inactivated (killed) virus vaccines. Inactivated vaccines are frequently poorly effective because they do not stimulate much immune response and don’t go through the same processing that live viruses do. They typically have only been used for immunocompromised patients in the past in order to mitigate the potential that an attenuated vaccine has to still overcome the immune response if a patient is weak and can’t fend off much of anything. Most previous vaccines were attenuated, which poses very little threat to someone with a natural and normal strength immune system.