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The books started out good then the author went full retard liberal around book 4 i think..

The books started out good then the author went full retard liberal around book 4 i think..

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[–] [deleted] • 13 pts (edited )

It's about Space-Jew-Magi aristocracy helping the local browns defeat the degenerate, psychopathic 'white supremacists'.

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Exactly. They removed the white cast members from the original. Except for the evil side And cast dues and darkies as heroes.

It's a racist pos film.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

East Asian guy is also evil

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"Honorary whites" as far as jews are concerned.

[–] • 6 pts

There are a lot of shitskins. I dunno if I would say it's woke (no gays or trannies), but it's also only half a movie as it ends right in the middle of the story.

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What do you mean it ends half way?

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They end the movie at the duel that leads to Paul being admitted to the Fremen. It's about halfway through the first (and only good) book.

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The movie ends halfway through the book. The title screen says Dune Part One.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

How many hours did you want to sit in the theater?

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They decided to split it into two movies and ended it pretty unceremoniously right at the mid point (rather than, say, finding a good place for an ending).

It's an alright movie and certainly better than most of the trash coming out of Pedowood these days.

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Harkonen was gay in the original

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There's a lot of shitskins in the novel. The Fremen were based on the Bedouin.

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True. I wasn't referring to them though, more referring to the nigger ecologist, mystery meat Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho, taco nigger as Leto Atreides and so on.

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Liet Kynes gender swap is unforgiveable, and he's supposed to look like a Fremen not nigger. As for the rest, I don't remember their appearance being important. Or even remember how it was described, except for Paul (who shouldn't look so faggy but ok). But basically, it's not important so I don't care what color they are, other than being opposed to the general trend of niggerfying the movies.

[–] • 5 pts

Took me three tries to read the entire book, its a bit dry and takes about 100 pages before the story takes off, once I made it there, I loved it! Gobbled up the sequels until book 4, realized the writing style and story line had changed significantly, obviously different authors. Put the series down after that.

[–] • 7 pts

its a bit dry

I’ve never read the book but isn’t the setting a big desert planet?

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I see what I did there, lol! Good point.

[–] • 5 pts

realized the writing style and story line had changed significantly, obviously different authors

That would be Herbert's son, Brian. Officially Brian wrote books 7, 8. But ... yeah, odds are he was heavily involved as a ghost writer earlier as Frank was near death.

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Yup - Frank Herbert died before the later books were finished.

Later on, a series of new books, both before and after on the timeline, were produced with ghost writer assistance, in cooperation with the family, culled together from Herbert's archive of unpublished Dune materials, and ghost writers filling in the gaps, tying the stories together. Some are better than others, but the main big picture themes are well preserved, in my opinion.

To date, still the best science fiction ever written.

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They didn't switch authors at book 4. Frank Herbert got old and like many didn't feel the need for an editor. The best thing that happened to the first one was it was serialized in Sci Fi magazines, forcing it to be edited for length and to adopt some episodic pacing. By book 8, this guy is a Sci Fi God and no one can tell him his writing sucks.

[–] • 4 pts

Yeah the first book was like a revelation -- I don't know what it would be like to read for the first time today, but back then it was really something -- but I finished the 2nd book as a courtesy. My buddy read the series all the way to the end, but even he said it was a labor of love.

Other than an abundance of niggers and making the Ecologist a female nigger the movie is not woke at all. In fact if anything DV tones down the Benne Geserat (however it's spelled) which is afterall a female only discipline and very influential in that universe. As well Jessica comes across as not as strong as she is in the book, thought that might have been the result of the casting choice. I didn't care much for Oscar Issacs in his role either; he doesn't have the physical presence that I feel the role needed. Not terrible, but could have been better.

But it's a really good film. It certainly doesn't move along briskly but at the same time I was never bored and when it ended I was actually surprised that 2 plus hours had passed

[–] • 4 pts

My impression is that they dialed back the wokeness so it's passing as good. Main character actor is affeminate and wrong for role. Heard enough? That sound woke to you?

Critical Drinker is splooging all over this. But if you can still find the comments, many people disagree with him. Critical Drinker's reviews lately have been smelling of bought and paid for.

When you put people into a desert, you can get people to eat sand. This also establishes a new psychological normal.

[–] • 2 pts (edited )

The Drinker has been tentatively splooging over the film for some time now, so when it gets released and it's mostly the opposite of a total shitshow it makes perfect sense that he'd continue to sing its praises. I didn't see the negative comments that you mention but there was nothing in his review that hinted to me that he's sucking cock for likes now. I mean I didn't agree with everything he said, but he wasn't being a shill.

Leading up to the film I also thought the casting of Paul's character was questionable, but he totally pulls it off IMO. And as someone else -- perhaps the Drinker -- pointed out Paul is not physically very big or strong in the book. But he's not a pushover either which, as I say, I think Chalamet conveys well.

On that note I'm waiting for someone to upload a clip of the duel he has with the Fremen but with the combat music from Star Trek TOS dubed over top.

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There were many comments criticizing his review. Interesting none are to be found now. Hmm.

My comment wasn't based on this single review. It's a pattern of his continued support for obviously woke bullshit.

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"It's a pattern of his continued support for obviously woke bullshit." This is interesting because I haven't noticed it at all, but TBH I haven't been paying as close attention to his reviews recently because they're starting to sound pretty much the same.

Can you name a review that you feel is a particularly good example of him supporting wokeness? Thanks.

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The main lead is a due of course given that he's the hero.

The drinker also said squid games was great.

He got so mainstream that he is now owned.

How much was he paid?

[–] • 4 pts

The new movie is only half the book. It may be years before the second half of the book comes out. There is no conclusion in the movie -- it just stops. Each part of Lord of the Rings has its own mini-conclusion. Dune, Part 1 leaves you hanging, which is monumentally unsatisfying.

The actors are not as well selected for their roles as in the David Lynch version of Dune. Paul is an emo who might as well have stepped out of an anime cartoon. Jessica is weak. The Duke was wooden.

Visually, the new movie falls far short of Lynch's vision. It seems small and "made for television."

All the props and visual effects are inferior to those used by Lynch. Where were the space guild in their enormous mobile vats? Why did the seeker-killer look like a bug? Why are the personal shields so nothing-looking?

The new Dune did have a few good points. The Gurney Halleck character is much better developed than was the case in Lynch's movie. Getting rid of Sting's character was a good move.

Things that bugged me:

  • The Reverend Mother was not as scary as in Lynch's version.
  • The pain box she used was just stupid -- we could see inside it, for fuck's sake!
  • If that black, crawling thing on the Harkonnen world was the Doctor Yueh's wife, we should have been informed of this fact.
  • You can't really even see the force shield around the capital when it is up.
  • The worms are oddly unthreatening.
  • There was no tension when Paul and Jessica were fleeing across the sand from the worm.
  • The thumper doesn't look or sound as good as the thumpers in Lynch's movie.
  • The hair styles in the new movie are just boring.
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Visually, the new movie falls far short of Lynch's vision

I thought it was better in parts, but they were over too fast for you to take it all in, this is a curse of every modern film now. Compare it to old French films which let you wallow in a scene until you feel you know the space. If you look at some frame gifs someone has collected they are perfect

This is maybe a fault of the books, there was not a lot of background detail of the people, apart from the fremen.

Yes, the mobile vats were a better visual I thought that was what the seeker-killer was supposed to look like? I may be wrong

The worms are oddly unthreatening

Yeh, "oh look, a giant worm... we should, umm, maybe save that spice harvester over there?"

There was no tension when Paul and Jessica were fleeing across the sand from the worm

Yep, there were better scenes in Tremors

The thumper doesn't look or sound as good as the thumpers in Lynch's movie.

Yep, designed to annoy moles at most

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There was no tension when Paul and Jessica were fleeing across the sand from the worm

Yep, there were better scenes in Tremors

Ha! I actually thought the same thing as I was writing my post, but decided not to include it. The Tremors worms are much scarier.

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I guess I took from the book that the worms represented something eternal and mythological, like they were as much a part of Arrakis as the sun and the sand.

But as a foreigner to the planet it probably should have elicited a bit more: "WTF is that thing?"

Some of these scenes are just like how I remember from the book, but I'm not sure they were described in the same way that someone would write a script for a modern audience.
Like the book was written in 1965, so back then just being on another planet was "drama enough" for a good story

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Feyd-Rautha is going to have to be in the second movie or they're going to be forced to completed change the story. The character didn't do much in the first half of the book anyway, can be introduced later pretty easily.

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I suppose. But I hated Sting in that role.

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He was memorable, but far from good in the role.

[–] • 3 pts

The only review I heard was from a buddy of mine who saw it with his wife. He said it was less "woke" than he expected, although Liet is a woman, and a couple of other items were annoying.

His big complaint is that the entire movie felt like preamble for the next one.

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Liet is a sheboon.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

Strong smart nigger cunts. It is the lie they have to repeat over and over again so that one day they make you think it is true.

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Liet's not so smart, can't make his plan work without the magic white boy.

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When they go too woke it destroys the ratings - they are learning to mix some white guys back in there.

The Watchman TV series went too woke and it hurt the ratings.

Woke Star Wars nearly destroyed the multi-billion dollar franchise, with a last minute save by baby Yoda and a white guy.

In the Expanse and Altered Carbon 1st season, the lead male role was white and shows had good ratings. Altered Carbon second season, they changed the lead male to black and the ratings tanked. Writing had suffered as well.

In the Foundation series, there is heavy woke, with helpful white buddy side kicks. Lots of bad white guys. Bad black guys are secretly good guys. Good black guys are dying heroically. The story itself seems too slow for modern audiences, so the ratings are not great. 80% of the leaders are women so far, both good and bad.

It's been decades since I read the foundation series, so my memory of the original story line it is all but gone. I am enjoying the new show so far.

Fag Superman is dead in the water already. Salvage may not be possible.

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WTF there were no female leaders or blacks in the Foundation series at all, that I can recall.

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Altered carbon could have been so good. They totally fucked it up

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I've watched about 1/2 of the movie and it's not woke so far.

Movie is alright, good visuals, good story and characters. I'm not sure if this is one part in a multi-part movie but it seems slow for a single movie but this might be alright if it's spread across multiple movies.

I don't have any knowledge of Dune history so I'm a normie.

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I too have seen the movie, I didn't think it was woke. I suspect that because it is an international release the writers has to be sensitive to China; witch I am grateful for.

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