dad used to tell me a story about Korea. there were so many chinese, that the barrels of the machine guns would get red hot. they would need to pour water on the barrels to keep them from drooping and to keep shooting. most of the chinese only had hoes and rakes. yet they kept coming. pushed the Americans back to the south again. we fought the whole Korean war, and didn't gain an inch of territory. there are so many chinese today, if it doesn't turn nuclear, then they would just keep coming till we were overwhelmed. and most of the urbanites would just cave. do you think places like Los Angeles or Portland would put up a fight? highly doubtful. India is a joke. they have even worse problems than Detroit. they are not a threat to China except for nukes. America does not live in a vacuum. if we collapse, we will be invaded. from the south by the latinos, from the west by the chinese, maybe even from the east by the africans. when the big guy falls, everyone tries to get a piece of the pie that is left over.