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Am I the only one? They wonder why I haven't been to church. Well, get the government out of the church and I'll come back. In the meantime, I'm all paid up with my tithing. I've been paying my 10 percent gross earnings out of each paycheck every since this insanity has started. But if I could bypass the Church and pay the money directly to God, I would.

Am I the only one? They wonder why I haven't been to church. Well, get the government out of the church and I'll come back. In the meantime, I'm all paid up with my tithing. I've been paying my 10 percent gross earnings out of each paycheck every since this insanity has started. But if I could bypass the Church and pay the money directly to God, I would.

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I've been paying my 10 percent gross earnings out of each paycheck

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Wait I think I do:

I'd better start a fucking religion.

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What was it that Hubbard said about religion and making a shit ton of money?

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LDS is the way to go, cute dumb blondes that think underwear is magical and don't mind if you have a few other wives.

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I'd better start a fucking religion.

I mean you'll have a lot of competition, but it's lucrative work for the 1% of preachers.

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God never needed you to pay admission. Stop it.

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Good folks on the whole. Way too much wealth accumulated by the organization a la Vatican. Better neighbors than a lot of folks.

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Yes. I'm in the exact same boat. I've still been paying full tithing, but haven't been back to church since March 2020. I've been ignoring the Bishop's texts as well. I haven't had anyone knock on the door since I'm still in the YSA and live so far out.

I'm currently in a catch 22, because I refuse to marry outside the church, and I refuse to comply with mask mandates at church. Maybe if I was in a heavily conservative area it'd be a bit different, but that's not where the military has me.

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Thank you so much for replying. You're the only other church member I'm aware of that's awake. What I don't understand is the church prophets. If they're truly prophets, you'd think they'd be awake and telling the members not to bother with masks and not to get the vaccine.

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After mulling it over for quite some time, and continuing to do so, I've come up with several possibilities.

The prophet is fallible I am fallible The church and/or God doesn't want to rock the boat Every time God rebuilds his church, it inevitably drifts away

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1) The prophet and quorum members are only men, and thus fallible. Even though they're the highest living person in the church (not including Jesus/God obviously), they're not excluded from making mistakes. This is especially true if you apply the "everybody's doing it." If the whole world (or at least Western culture) is lied to, then it's not a far drop for them do make mistakes as well.

1.1) This theory is backed up when you think about old prophets such as Noah. They're included in the scriptures for a reason.

1.2) Something I've come up with years ago is that the prophet isn't (necessarily) the most religious person currently on earth, nor necessarily the most in tune with God. That person is likely some random old man sitting in a family ward somewhere. Instead, the current prophet is just the person best suited for the job at the moment, and has yet to finish his job on Earth.

1.3) Nelson was a surgeon, and thus will most likely take the most caution option, as well as listen to the medical society.

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2) I'm just a man and I'm fallible. As much as I believe I'm right, I must accept that I could be the one that is wrong, or partially wrong. One of the hardest hitting numbers I have is the USAF deaths. Up until a couple months ago, it was just one death (Active, Guard, or Reserve). In the past couple months, we've bumped those numbers up to four. Even with these numbers, even with all the evidence I've seen, even with all the death/lack of deaths, I must still accept that I might be wrong, or at least to some degree.

2.1) Maybe masks do help a very small amount. Maybe there is some small benefit that might save a couple hundred lives. Maybe society did go overboard, but perhaps they do help a very small degree among the old and sick. Just think how many old people there are in church.

2.2) It's entirely possible that I'm overreacting with the negative effects. Maybe deaths are only in a very small percentage, and lives saved will eventually outnumber deaths after several years. Maybe all those short clips are overblown because of the internet, or the person recording lied about the reason. Maybe somewhere with my incomplete data, I've miscalculated.

2.3) It's possible my mistrust in government has blinded me, or partially blinded me.

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3) Covid is fake and gay, but it's in the interest of the church not to rock the boat. If the church rocks the boat, then people would be less likely to join or even listen. Thus, less people would find God, or at least find their way to the true church. Now we know that doctrine can't change, but new doctrine can be reviled. We also know that procedural things can change, for example three hour church being knocked down to two hours +one hour home/family study.

Being that wearing a mask isn't doctrine, and is only a request, it's entirely possible for the church to go along for the ride, unlike gay marriage where they have to make a stand. When you add in asking people to get the vax, things get a little more complicated.

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4) It's entirely possible that the church has started to drift away from God, as it has done numerous times throughout history. Also, just because it's started to drift away doesn't mean God won't pull it back in. Also, also, just because it has started to drift away doesn't make the entire church, it's power structure, it's doctrine, and it's written text false, especially when you consider what they're asking for (masks/vax) is not doctrine.

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To sum it up, the prophet isn't perfect, I'm not perfect, the church is subject the the conditions of man, past churches have all fallen before, God can always reel them back in, what they're requesting isn't doctrine, maybe they don't want to rock the boat.

Oh yeah. Things will always get worse. Even if they get better, they will get worse. Conversely, things will always get better. Even if they get worse, they will always get better. This entire Earth is one large roller coaster, and some people are only around for the ups, and some people are only around for the downs. And it will remain a roller coaster until the second coming of Christ.

Talk about a write-up. Sorry for the wall of text but I hope it helps to see some of what's going on in my head. And I haven't even touched a 1/4 of my thoughts.

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You’re not alone. I don’t know if you’re in a YSA or family ward but where I am in my family ward most of them are sheep but there’s about about 15% of the ward that has gone into stealth mode and have been working on building a trusted community, getting our emergency plans in place and getting trained on defending ourselves. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a massive split in the church in the next couple of years as many members are literally preaching directly against Jesus’s plan of agency, you know, the whole reason the war in heaven happened. This mortal existence is turning into a replay of the premortal existence. I’ve been very disappointed in the church membership.

Be prepared Create your own community of trusted people Trust in Jesus

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Yes. New Order Mormons are culturally Mormon, but less picky about doctrine.

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That's about where I am at with it. But the church is going to import the 3rd world endlessly.

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I was married to a mormon. I read the Book of Mormon, the Doctrines & Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. I've spent hours talking to missionaries & visiting teachers and attending priesthood meetings.

"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become."

The mormon church teaches that God was once a man, but by leading a perfect life he earned Godhood over his own world, to populate with his spirit children.

But there wasn't a single member of authority that would say that this has only been achieved once. Ostensibly, others have done so, and were given dominion over their own worlds.

Now, since mormonism says it is monotheistic, it doesn't encourage the worship of those other gods. Just the god of this world.

The bible is very clear on who the god of this world is. The God of the Bible is the god of all creation. The prince of air is the god of this world.

So this is just a new riff on the fruit of the tree of knowledge. "God doesn't want you to eat it, because you would become like him" said the serpent.

And this hurts, because some of the best people I know are Mormon.

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Not a member. Tried to go back. Globohomo repulsed me.

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For all the successful stands the Mormons have made (like the cattle ranchers) their main problem is still the hive mind at the top. They are very unified but suffer if the main leadership goes out at the top. I've decided I can't trust their general community long term. For your situation I would find a tight community that are critical thinkers.

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God doesn't need money.

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