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What is it?

What is it?

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To start you need to understand the body armor grades as defined by the NIJ.

I, II, and IIIA are pistol-grade armors. Usually these are soft armors, which means they are easy to conceal. IIIA can also involve a plate, which means you need some sort of plate carrier which makes it harder to conceal.

III and IV are rifle-grade armors. NOTE III AND IIIA are NOT related. These armors always require a plate so are hard to conceal.

Armors which have passed standardized testing for this model will have the on the back (non-strike) face. Now this is a double-edged sword, it means the government has certified it for service as it has been independently been proven in a lab. But it's the government saying that so take that as you will.

Note that companies that AREN'T NIJ-certified will say things like "tested to NIJ standards" or somesuch. The NIJ website actually has a list of all certified plates so you can double check. I don't have a link handy.

Now the armor industry has identified several gaps in the NIJ scheme, so they invented IIIA+ (improved pistol grade) and III+ (improved rifle grade). Since these grades aren't official NIJ grades, there's no standard test and no independent testing done by the government. So caveat emptor.

If you're looking for protection against feral niggers, they usually just use handguns. Buy a pistol grade vest.

If you're worried about humans with rifles, you need plates. Note that plate carriers are sized to the PLATE, and the cummerbund is sized to the WEARER.

As far as companies, anything NIJ certified should be trustworthy enough to buy. Specifically, Hoplite Armor is based (they made a Zuckerbook post this year remembering the USS Liberty attack). RMA and Hesco also are generally trustworthy.

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Finally NEVER EVER EVER buy fucking steel plates. Two reasons. 1. They're much heavier than ceramic plates of equivalent protection, and 2. When bullets impact a steel plate the break apart and form spall. So instead of getting shot in the chest you get bullet fragments in your neck, arms, and chin. Ceramic plates actually capture all the fragments so they prevent you from becoming a casualty.

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Excellent post, but I will point out good steel plates will have anti-spalling coating to contain the shrapnel.

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That coating doesn't do shit. Watch the Nokia video in this thread. The spall spreads out from point of impact and travels parallel to the plate surface. On a coated steel plate all the spall does is delaminate the coating, and exits at the edge of the plate. You'll fuck up your arms, neck, and chin. Great way to become a casualty.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, buying extra-thick coating moves AR500 steel plates into budget ceramic territory, so just fucking buy ceramics.

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One made out of a Nokia Phone.

https://imgflip.com/gif/4wo66e

The phone outlives the sim card, or at least mine did

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A great example of what spalling looks like, when a bullet gets stopped by steel armor (AR500 or similar). The truck bed liner they spray on doesn't help.

Note that Nokia armor plates are clearly also susceptible to spalling, so I still have to insist you get ceramic plates before a bunch of Nokias.

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The Armor of God! Deus Vult!

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My man!

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Lord make my heart strong and my aim true.

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Suit made of bibles... makes sense

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Have you heard of the Killdozer?

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Does the pope shit in the woods?

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Does a bear wear a funny hat

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Good camouflage.

No body armor covers the entire body. No body armor stops .50 cal rounds.

A soft vest (mark III) will stop 9mm bullets. Hard plates (mark IV) bump that up to regular rifle rounds.

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Also concealed armor. If they don't know you have it, they'll aim for the chest.

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mark IV sounds like what I'm looking for. Rifles are my primary concern.

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you better hope they shoot you once center mass. Don't plan on getting shot, much more mobile without

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Look for something that will stop M855A1. That's going to be lvl 4 or a special threat plate. Bite the bullet and pay more for a lighter plate.

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The mark IV plates will still only cover vitals and that only from certain angles.

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For what do you want? 9mm? 45? 556?

The price goes up, the quality goes up, the ease of wearing goes down, the weight goes up.

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I'm worried about rifle rounds the most, so 556.

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I've recently acquired AR-500 3+ plates for my carrier. I've seen torture tests of them and they hold up very well to 5.56 green tip ammo. Not that green tip is armor piercing, but they'll bite armor harder than non steel core ammunition. They're reasonably priced, but be prepared to wait a month to receive them. Both plates worn are ~20lbs, but I'd bet my life on them if I had to.

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Did you buy AR-500 steel or ceramic plates?

If steel you wasted your money. If you get hit you'll still become a casualty from the spall. The "truck bed liner" they spray on doesn't help you. Buy ceramic, and either sell the steel to some antifa faggot or use the steel plates only for weight training.

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Green Tip was made to get through helmets and minor barriers. Steel armor WILL stop it. Green tip rounds are 62gr.

The magic recipie for getting through steel is 3250+ fps. Which you can get from 55gr 5.56 shot through a 20" barrel. 14.5, 16 and 18 barrels don't give you complete burn of the powder required to get that freedom seed up to 3300fps.

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Ceramic, poly is expensive thick and degrades, metal is heavy and causes spall. Spend the few extra bucks.

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This is too broad of a question. There's soft armor, plates, etc.

Then it's a question of your budget and level of protection. You have to amalgamate your needs against what is available to you and go from there

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Snipers don't wear body armor.

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To start, definitely do not buy body armor, hiking equipment or parachutes on wish.com

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Don't get noticed, keep a low profile, and don't stick your pecker out.

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