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Was the moon landing a hoax? If so, why?

Was the moon landing a hoax? If so, why?

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[–] 12 pts

Given that everything the government does is fake, I must conclude the moon landing is fake too. There was a motive to fake it for prestige. Taxpayer money needed to he justified.

When I look back at the images, I was surprised by the low quality.

[–] 8 pts

Given that everything the government does is fake, I must conclude the moon landing is fake too.

This is the best argument I've heard.

[–] [deleted] 6 pts

When I look back at the images, I was surprised by the low quality.

It was in the late 60s/early 70s so the image quality being low is appropriate... We went to the moon 9 times, by the way. One of the missions turned into a flyby and not a landing as intended though. The stuff left on the moon is still there....

[–] 1 pt

It was in the late 60s/early 70s so the image quality being low is appropriate...

Those babies don't take low resolution pictures.

Yeah, the moon landing denier demands HD pics from RIGHT NOW and won't accept those pictures taken ON the moon from all the times we landed there.

[–] 1 pt

the stuff left on the moon is still there

It’s been 50 years. Surely someone has taken an HD photograph or footage of the old Apollo gear. That would be amazing. Go ahead and show it.

Oh wait…

[–] 1 pt

not quite a photograph, but These are still in use:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

[–] [deleted] 0 pt (edited )

Surely someone has taken an HD photograph or footage of the old Apollo gear.

No problem, they'd get a time machine and take some of this modern "HD" cameras and take some pictures.

That would be amazing. Go ahead and show it.

Let me go fire up my DeLorean.

Oh wait…

Yeah, wait. "hurr durr there are no HD photos of the stuff" Fucking moron. Why the hell do you demand modern shit from events that happened in 1969 to 1972? A quick online search will show you dozens of photos taken on the moon by astronauts with film cameras. Millenials really can't conceive of the world before "HD" and computers everywhere in everything.

https://i.imgur.com/vVAQRh5.jpg

[–] 6 pts

That's right, be a good little goy and think whites weren't capable of the moon landings

[–] 4 pts

There's a big difference between capabilities and truth. Yes, I believe we're capable of sending a vehicle to the moon. And we're capable of faking everything.

[–] 1 pt

This is exactly whats going on here

[–] 1 pt

I’m sorry but you’re an idiot. Please post any decent, convincing evidence of the moon landings that is supposed to prove a critical thinker they actually happened.

Of course you’re not going to use “evidence” from the Apollo footage itself because it obviously looks like a comically fake puppet show.

Please, link to the “third party evidence” Wikipedia article. It’s one of my favorites.

Exactly. Keep a list of these type of users, watch what else they say. It's obvious.

[–] 5 pts

motive

$3.2 million per day is an incentive.

[–] 4 pts

The government produce enormous amount of bullshit even now when it is all can be exposes on internet. Imagine the level of bullshit when there wasn't any way to expose them 50 years ago, they could say that there are dinosaurs' bones on the moon but they forgot to take them to earth. People would believe that. At this point I doubt that official narrative about social and economical aspects of society are at least somehow true.

[–] 6 pts

No, it was not. I was a young lad who watched it live on Television. There was no way at that time with the technology in existence to fake the videos of Neil and Buzz walking on the moon. Every country on earth was watching, the Russians, the Chinese, and even our worst enemies the French and Israelis. If it was fake, they would have called us out immediately. Just a quick review of the telemetry data from the Apollo 11 mission shows it went to the moon and came back. Except for Apollo 13 the rest of the moon missions become routine and boring to the American public. Star Wars came out in 1977, its CGI was no where close to how real the Apollo missions where. Hell, Alien came out in 1979 and it still didn’t match the realism of the Apollo missions.

The moon landings weren’t fake.

[–] 6 pts

No cgi required, just special effects and lens filters. It's logical to fake it. There's too many things that don't add up. Your exposure to propaganda is not an argument.

[–] 5 pts

The thousands of color photographs from the moon that Buzz and Neil brought back say otherwise. The moon hoax didn’t appear until long after the missions where completed. The hoax theories focus on some difficult to explain physics, but totally ignores the countless real world evidence, like how buzz and neil left bags of their shit on the moon.

[–] [deleted] 6 pts

There’s just some people who won’t be convinced that they’re wrong. I’ve got a friend who is a flat earther. My background allows me to conclusively refute anything he tosses up, while giving logic-based, rational reason for the earth being round. Doesn’t matter.

Similarly, I get sucked into conversations with the poison contrail folks here. It’s talking to a brick wall.

Just a heads up before you put too much more time into it.

[–] 0 pt

Ah yes, because the moon is the only place you can leave a bag of shit. Not in the desert.

[–] 0 pt

real world evidence,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna32581790

Nasa astronauts gave the Dutch national museum "moon rocks" that turned out to be fake and just petrified wood. Wasupwit that real world?

[–] 1 pt

All telemetry was lost for all missions..lol..fake and gay

[–] 2 pts (edited )

You got me on that one, it appears all the telemetry tapes were erased. Why, they were unnecessary and just not that important at the time. Nobody was questioning the validity of the moon missions magnetic tape was expensive, erasable, and reusable, we have the data, let’s re-use these tapes. Not knowing it would fuel a conspiracy theory.

[–] 1 pt

Data still exists from all the other tracking stations. But no one wants it. Which supports your point.

[–] 0 pt

Lol...ya "magnetic tape was expensive". Think about that reasoning...this was a government program....what was NASA's Budget back then in today's $...." expensive."..lol

[–] 0 pt

Just a quick review of the telemetry data from the Apollo 11 mission shows it went to the moon and came back

Ahh the telemetry data doesnt exist. NASA said they cant find it.

I'm wondering how does one do a quick review of something nasa says doesnt exist?

[–] 2 pts

Originals still exist from every country which assisted with tracking.

[+] [deleted] 6 pts
[–] [deleted] 5 pts

I've never understood how this is even a question. Unless you completely lack the ability to learn calculus, thermodynamics, and basic fucking physics, it's not difficult to calculate thrust vectors and trajectory taking mass, various resistances, gravity, relative velocity, and orbital mechanics into account. Most of you have flown before. It's not a huge step to go from what the SR-71 can do to speeding up a few hundred meters per second, using inertia to navigate in a vacuum, and bring your velocity close to 0 before smashing into a surface before hopping out in what's essentially an insulated scuba suit.

If my blue collar ass can make sense of it, anyone should be able to with the wealth of free information available from source after source. Hell, even a game like KSP can make it click for people who aren't academically inclined.

There's a ton of real conspiracies and bullshittery that we're made to believe lies about. This isn't one of them. It doesn't change a thing to believe or not, but you're pretty nigger level stupid to just say it can't be done or was not done. Next you'll tell me the titanic was fake because all that metal couldn't float.

[–] 4 pts

basic fucking physics, it's not difficult

None of them have any background in any level of physics. Its pure retard narcissism/jew anti white-German (paperclip) propaganda

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

Hell neither do I. But I have the capacity to learn independently where these idiots spend all day going "nuh uh!" over and over because it's all they have.

[–] [deleted] 3 pts

Very well and succinctly said, for your blue collar ass! The deniers have trouble with adding two double-digit numbers in their heads, so naturally this is all very frightening to them.

[–] -1 pt

Yeah, like working out the thrust the huge rocket needed to leave the moon and return to earth . . . .

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

Well let's investigate. Thrust to weight ratio > 1. Air resistance lowering on a curve as you increase altitude, not ignoring dynamic pressure for a given speed and altitude plus weather conditions. Again, calculus is your friend. Next you tell me you can't make a glider with a sheet of paper and tape a bottle rocket to it.

[–] -2 pt

In reply to

to leave the moon and return to earth . . . .

you write

Air resistance lowering on a curve as you increase altitude,

OK. I think it's becoming clear here.

[–] 0 pt

No one ever seems to remember the thrust needed to slow down in space. The fuel required to create the thrust for the trip has to be doubled to allow for the slow down.

[–] -1 pt

LOL this is my favorite “argument”

“Rocket science is easy”

No one has done it in 50 years but it’s totally easy! No one can even send an unmanned vessel to take a picture but it’s totally easy according to some dude on the internet who can use the phrase “thrust vectors.”

Actually when you think about the real challenges that would be posed in such a feat, it’s not easy at all. In fact it’s anything but easy; it’s incredibly complicated and could fail at any moment for a number of reasons. Only a dumbass would shrug it off and say it’s easy when no one has done it in 50 years. (Actually no one has ever done it and never will).

By the way “it’s easy” isn’t evidence.

Notice how these people all have dumbass justifications and excuses such as “it would have been too hard to fake it” (LOL) rather than actual, observable evidence that it happened.

They can’t point to the Apollo footage because it obviously looks so fucking absolutely fake.

[–] [deleted] 4 pts

It's not a matter of ability to do anything. It's expensive as fuck. Regulations are fucked as well. It doesn't take a small amount of explosive propellant to lift tons of metal. Hell, how many of Elon's rockets fucked up before finally getting it right? If you're willingly ignorant in the face of any opposing facts or evidence, you might as well put in a dress and go hang out with your faggy lefty friends because that's who you sound like. White men left Earth. Deal with it nigger.

[–] 5 pts

White men left Earth.

There is nothing more terrifying to the jew than that. Nothing.

[–] -1 pt

Said it better than I could. People ignoring the questions about it like that make me frustrated to the point of having trouble forming counter-points to their Kool-Aid stained regurgitation.

Next you'll tell me the titanic was fake because all that metal couldn't float.

Gotta love that strawman at the end though.

[–] 5 pts

Next you'll tell me the titanic was fake because all that metal couldn't float.

Gotta love that strawman at the end though.

That's hyperbole, not a strawman. He exaggerated to emphasize the point. His point is spot on. That exact same broken logic is constantly used throughout here by people supporting your anti-science position.

I explain this for the casual reader, as I expect you don't care.

[–] -1 pt

If you actually start to really think in depth about pulling off such a feat, timing the trajectory, entering orbit (how and when the fuck does that even happen?), landing a craft that had never been landed successfully on earth, it’s actually all extremely complicated and impossibly sensitive, which is yet another reason they couldn’t do it with 60s technology. But these people act like it would be “easy” or “simple, it’s really quite hilarious.

[–] 4 pts

We went several times and the imagery is great in the later landings. The tracks of the rover have been seen by other countries moon orbiters.

[–] 4 pts

https://files.catbox.moe/jext87.webm

You know I gotta do it to 'em!

[–] [deleted] 4 pts (edited )

Yes they have walked the moon.. Anyone can figure that out. It's not that difficult feat it's more of a budget issue. Since governments want to spend money on weapons not space, but the space race happened because they wanted to perfect ICBM technology so therefore enough money was allocated.

If we didnt have to fight pointless wars and if we allocated much more money and scientists to space we would probably have a running mars colony decades ago.

[–] 6 pts

Imagine taking the 70% of the budget that goes to welfare and putting half of that towards honest to god science. And not the bullshit commie (((science))) of the modern era either.

[–] 2 pts

No, we have not been to the moon, because you never want to go anywhere with me.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

Well you've been letting yourself go lately, baby!

[–] 2 pts

Abso-fucking-lutey NOT,I watched the landing,moonwalking,lunar rover travels,and best of all the takeoff/separation from the Lunar vehicle,what a great few magical years those were.

[–] 2 pts

No, we missed the moon and ended up on Mars, but cameras back then were still black and white, so people at home didn't notice that they were on the red planet.

We fake the rover today so... The one thing cunts like to point to, is the receiver if you will, that's on the Moon that we point a laser at (think it's the university of Oregon but might be San Diego I've have to check) that we use to measure the distance of the Moon from the Earth. Here's the thing, the Russians also have one and FRANCE! put it there for them. RINO types go ape over this as if they played some part in it. It's a beautiful study of fake patriotism and mass mind control. There's many damning photos and videos then shit like ALL the rocks that were brought back turn out to be shit you find on Earth. As well as all the original footage and blueprints being lost or stolen. NASA is part of the DoD. The whole point of the space program is to test rockets that would otherwise violate weapon treaties.

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