Welcome • User Guide
ToS • Privacy • Canary
Donate • Bugs • License

©2026 Poal.co

1.1K

I hear a lot of people saying global warming is a scam, it’s fake, or whatever.

Many of them point to record low temperatures and others mention that temperature data is being fudged to make it seem like it’s real. This could be possible. I’m currently undecided on the whole thing.

But how do you explain the melting glaciers? These are things you can see with your own eyes and know to be true. For instance look at old pictures of glacier national park and compare it to today. Also a ski resort based on a glacier in Bolivia literally had to shut down because the 18,000 year old glacier on it melted. You can go there and see it with your own eyes to verify.

I hear a lot of people saying global warming is a scam, it’s fake, or whatever. Many of them point to record low temperatures and others mention that temperature data is being fudged to make it seem like it’s real. This could be possible. I’m currently undecided on the whole thing. But how do you explain the melting glaciers? These are things you can see with your own eyes and know to be true. For instance look at old pictures of glacier national park and compare it to today. Also a ski resort based on a glacier in Bolivia literally had to shut down because the 18,000 year old glacier on it melted. You can go there and see it with your own eyes to verify.

(post is archived)

[–] • 5 pts

You need to understand that the climate has always been changing. The dispute here is the extent to which human activities contribute to that change.

[+] [deleted] • 1 pt
[–] • 0 pt

I have yet for any glowball warming believer to be able to tell me what they think the perfect world-wide temperature is supposed to be.

[–] • 0 pt

78 all the time

[–] • 1 pt

At what cost? My pick-up truck and refrigeration? A world without tailgates and cold beer wouldn't be worth living in anyway.

[–] • 4 pts

The global warming/ climate change/ climate emergency crowd have a basic flaw in that they use modelling based on their preconceived idea of how the climate works (an assumption that CO2 is effectively the control knob). These models then produce "forecasts" of the future that basically boil down to: change in temp = change in CO2 x ECS. Where ECS is the "estimated climate sensitivity" to a doubling of CO2. If you point out flaws in their work they will call you names, like "denier". This indicates quite strongly that theirs is a "belief", a "faith" even.

There are some astoundingly huge things that they miss though. Their models (hugely simplified here) are little more than linear (or exponential sometimes) projections which also assume that the feedbacks are linear.

The climate is a CYCLICAL chaotic system, actual feedbacks are very much non-linear and in some cases may change not only manuring but direction. Water (in the atmosphere) for example is a positive feedback at lower temperatures as water in the atmosphere absorbs light and emits infrared light (just as CO2 does). However, once the sea surface temperature gets close to 30deg Celsius that feedback turns strongly negative due to the formation of tropical thunderstorm clusters. These thunderstorms act like giant automatic refrigeration units. Warm humid air rises from the sea displacing the cold dry air above it and forcing it down. Once the water vapour reaches the upper troposphere it condenses (releasing lots of heat through latent heat out condensation) forming tall thimble clouds which, by the time they form in the late afternoon, shade vast areas as the sun is more at a lower angle.

How do climate modellers model phenomena like this? They don't. They "parameterise" their models.

Water is an amazing substance.

There is lots more too. Generally, climate models assume that the Sun is static. I.e. there is no change in its output that effects the climate. However, the Sun does change both in terms of radiative output (very small changes) but more importantly in solar wind and magnetic field. The magnetic field can have significant impact on terrestrial weather patterns through influencing the jet streams.

Climate is very complicated.

As far as glaciers melting. That is what happens in an inter-glacial period. That particular one would be one of the last tropical glaciers remaining. It appears to have banished due to lack of snowfall (a glacier is just a frozen river, without snowfall they will vanish, typically due to ablation more than melting). As for Glacier National Park. They used to have signage saying that the glaciers would be gone by 2020.... they quietly removed them in 2019 as the glaciers there are actually growing.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/06/glacier-national-park-quietly-removes-its-gone-by-2020-signs-2/

[–] • 2 pts

Look at where the people at the top of this who are pushing it live.

They arent selling their coastal properties or islands.

Just like they arent wearing masks or getting jabs.

[+] [deleted] • 2 pts
[–] • 2 pts

When you live through the years they claimed would be the end, again and again and again, you become wise to the fear mongering.

When they tell you that by 2009 ny will be underwater, and that there will be no more snow, and that " Britain will be plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020."

The fear mongering comes again and again, and they always have teenagers push the message because they haven't been around long enough to see the lies unfold.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

I'll start believing in it when the people who keep telling me to believe in it start acting as if they actually believe in it. When AlGore tells everyone that the seas will soon rise cataclysmically, and yet both he and Ohblah-blah have purchased multi-million dollar sea-side villas that would shortly be underwater if true, it skews the message. When the Davos airport runs out of parking space for all of the private jets these people fly around in whenever they feel the urge to sit around eating comped shrimp cocktails and congratulating themselves on how wise and caring they all are, I don't want to hear another goddamm word about my fucking carbon footprint.

Not to brag, but I've been through so many "APOCALYPTIC END OF THE WORLD!!"s by now it's all actually gotten kind of predictable and boring.

[–] • 3 pts

Private jets are a solid point too. 10 hours in a private jet puts out as much co2 as the average person in a year

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

One of the biggest scams the glowball grifters ever played was getting something the every single creature creature on the planet produces declared a pollutant. Yet the Medieval Warming Period (which they REALLY don't like to talk about) resulted in a world-wide economic boom. Chaucer even wrote about grapes being grown as far North as Scotland and wheat harvests increased. Must have been all those SUV's they were driving around back then. And that's not the first time either. And the fossil record (something else they really don't want to talk about) shows that, at one point the entire area around what is now the British Isles was tropical!

[–] • 1 pt

If global warming ks real how come the glaciers are still there? Al Gore made a video 20 years ago saying the science was clear and all the glaciers were going to be melted by now. He made a whole movie about it. That movie also said we were going to see an increase in severe hurricaines which hasn't happened either. How can you trust people who are so consistently wrong. Not to mention these same people have multiple homes and private jets while they fly around the world saying the peasants shouldn't be heating their homes so much in the winter...

[–] • 1 pt

'An Inconvenient Truth' was the lying fraud Gore's movie. Even the famous picture of the two polar bears on the skinny melting iceberg is fraud. The female potog who took it said he didn't ask permission, and she can get that picture every single year as it was August and very south of the north pole. It's always hot in the summer.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

This could be possible.

Look up Tony Heller on yt or rumble. Data is absolutely faked and/or deleted. 1930s were way hotter.

Some ice melts, other glaciers grow. Did you hear about the many areas in the US experiencing record LOW temps this summer, or did you just hear about how hot it was in Seattle? Your brain is constantly being gerrymandered, and you are too conditioned to notice.

[–] • 0 pt

No , climate change is real , and we can't do shit about it

[–] • 0 pt

The issue is not whether or not climate change is real it is that they are using it as another pretext to transfer wealth from whites to fund their genocide

[–] • 0 pt

"man made" is in question. The rest has been shown the earth has different cycles determining climate.

[–] • 0 pt

Glaciers melt, then reform, or new ones form. It has always been that way, long before the Industrial Revolution.

Load more (11 replies)