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I am pushing to move my family from Canada to the US to because I am suffocating here.

But I have to spend the week or two with extended family, many of which work in the healthcare industry. I wanna know how much I would expect to pay out of pocket for health insurance/hospital visit etc.

For Americans, if you don't know, Canadians pride themselves above Americans for three things:

  1. Healthcare being taxpayer funded and therefore "free". Even though it sucks literally shit through a straw and takes 2 years to get an MRI appt. Mostly based on that old Michael Moore documentary.

  2. Milk quality. They made us watch some movie in school about how American milk was actually pus and not milk. Milk standards are almost equivalent between the two countries so idk where this comes from unless everyone believes the propaganda from childhood.

  3. International "likeability". American tourists are hated but everyone likes Canadians! Might be true, but fucking who cares what third worlders think...

Reading online, people are saying $600 per person per month... Holy fuck that can't be true. If you put away 3000$ a month (5 person family) and didn't get insurance, you could fly to Colombia every month, get treated there and fly back, first class.

I wanna know real numbers from actual human beings.

I am pushing to move my family from Canada to the US to because I am suffocating here. But I have to spend the week or two with extended family, many of which work in the healthcare industry. I wanna know how much I would expect to pay out of pocket for health insurance/hospital visit etc. For Americans, if you don't know, Canadians pride themselves above Americans for three things: 1. Healthcare being taxpayer funded and therefore "free". Even though it sucks literally shit through a straw and takes 2 years to get an MRI appt. Mostly based on that old Michael Moore documentary. 2. Milk quality. They made us watch some movie in school about how American milk was actually pus and not milk. Milk standards are almost equivalent between the two countries so idk where this comes from unless everyone believes the propaganda from childhood. 3. International "likeability". American tourists are hated but everyone likes Canadians! Might be true, but fucking who cares what third worlders think... Reading online, people are saying $600 per person per month... Holy fuck that can't be true. If you put away 3000$ a month (5 person family) and didn't get insurance, you could fly to Colombia every month, get treated there and fly back, first class. I wanna know real numbers from actual human beings.

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[–] 4 pts

Even Obamacare for someone making under 20k is about $300+ per month

[–] [deleted] 1 pt (edited )

As someone who recently had to look into that insurance, its much closer to $500 to $600 for an individual and around $2400 for a family of 4. (edit I got the family of 4 # wrong)

[–] 0 pt

This is close to the prices I am able to get for my family.

[–] 0 pt

"Affordable health care" my ass , fuck them.

[–] 4 pts

I'm paying $250/month through my job for me and my kid. Husband pays another $130 for his. And it is shitty insurance with a high deductible.

[–] 2 pts

I was looking for my family and it was about $950/month for the insurance alone. That was for a low out of pocket deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible was met. $5000 for the family. So you pay $950/mo plus $5000 per year. Part of the “employee package” when you work for someone is what kind of insurance they offer. That way the employer will usually pay for the employee and then you as the employee only have to pay for the additional family members. Lowering it closer to $400-500/mo. You are also limited to which doctors and hospitals will take your insurance, so look into that too.

[–] 2 pts

Health insurance is a scam. You can tell any provider you're uninsured and paying in cash. You'll get a discount of 60-75%.

Prescription drugs are "free" with your copay (typically $100). Meaning you only pay the first $100 of the cost. Great deal right? Except you can go to Costco and get the same drug for $40.

The healthcare providers and insurance companies illegally collude to set prices at 3-4 times actual cost. This makes people think they need insurance because everything is so expensive. However insurance companies only pay the actual cost. The fake price is eliminated in what's called an "adjustment" here's a sample bill.

https://pic8.co/sh/QGz9WK.png

What's an adjustment? Well it just means that was the inflated price that no one is going to pay. You can negotiate the same price, but most American's don't know they can negotiate prices for anything other than cars and houses.

I've never had health insurance. Checkups and cleanings cost $50-$100. Which I pay once or twice a year. Dealing with a broken leg or whatever might run me $10k, but I've saved so much over the years of being uninsured I can afford dozens of such issues. If I have an issue which would bankrupt me it's almost certainly going to be fatal and they can't come after your family for medical bills you incurred.

The only time medical insurance makes sense is if you are very old or have a known condition. These things, or course, make getting insurance almost impossible.

[–] 0 pt

It always makes sense in the US. Cancer treatment or surgery...

[–] 1 pt

Most Americans don't know what their health care costs, because it is included in their employment benefits or provided by the state. I don't know because our health benefits come from my wife's job, where she's covered with no out of pocket, and the out of pocket to add me is around $125/mo. If I covered us both at my job, it would be about $300/mo out of pocket, or $200 for just me. This is all the out-of-pocket cost, not the ACTUAL cost including what the employer pays and applies to your headcount.

If you are worried about it, you can get Traveler's Insurance pretty cheaply. It will get you health coverage while you are here, and also cover things like your costs if you trip gets cancelled.

It is illegal in the US for a hospital to turn you away with a potentially life-threatening or crippling condition. If you end up in the hospital, they might try to send you a $50K bill, but there is no way for them to collect it once you are back in Canada, and not much of a way to collect it if you were American, which is one of the reasons the "price" is so high -- they have to account for all the people who pay zero.

According to what I can find, the average US premium is just under $400/mo, with $1200/mo for a family of four.

[–] 1 pt

If you buy private health insurance, it depends a lot on the state. Insurance rates are approved at the state level, not federal. Yeah it's weird.

You can shop around before you move, but it takes a lot of time and effort. And you have to check with doctors to see what insurance they accept. A plan might be cheap, but you could be limited to a few doctors that have long wait lists. It isn't easy, but the alternative is a real pain.

Pretty much anywhere in the US though I'd plan for a minimum of $10K per year for insurance for a family, to cover premiums and deductibles. Probably closer to $20K to be safe and have better than shitty insurance. If no one gets sick, you might not pay out any deductibles though.

I live in the UK.

The NHS costs 12% for money made ABOVE 184 GBP per week.

This means if you make 184 GBP in one week. You pay 0.00 GBP.

If you make 200 GBP in one week. You pay 12% on 16 GBP (1.92 GBP).

The average salary in the UK is 26,193 GBP.

This translates to 503.71 GBP weekly.

Therefore you pay 12% on 319.71 GBP weekly which translates to 153.46 GBP monthly.

Privately...The most expensive insurance would cost me...£79.95 GBP monthly.

We have two plans available. Plan A: Don’t get sick Plan B: pay them everything you will make in the future.

Unless you’re a govt worker, illegal, or nigger. then everyone else will pay for you. Obamacare took productive citizens health care and gave it to everyone that does not work. Costs have doubled since the non-affordable health care act.

[–] 0 pt

If you plan to work full time (if you don't, please don't come here) then you will get insurance thru your employer most likely. I pay about $300/month for family of 4 thru my employers plan. I also work in the health insurance industry so if u have more questions, let me know.

[–] 0 pt

So they consider how many children you have for that payment?

I was hoping to continue building a small business and eventually become self employed. So eventually the true number would be valuable to me.

300$ is not so bad when the tax difference can easily be more than >1k a month.

It's around $500 a month insurance, plus $6,000 a year (i.e. another $500 a month) out-of-pocket maximum for my whole family.

[–] 0 pt

Does that include dental, vision and life insurance? Or only hospital visits and stuff?

[–] 0 pt

No, they don't account for number of children. You will usually have 3 options for each plan:

  1. Self
  2. Self + Spouse
  3. Self + Family
[–] 0 pt (edited )

my insurance has different tiers for parents + 1 child; single parent and child; next step unlimited kids + spouse

health insurance only; dental and eye and life and disability separate fees for each

[–] 0 pt

If you come as an illegal immigrant invader it is free plus you can get food stamps and an education.

Crime really does pay nowadays.

[–] 0 pt

600/ person is low. Where I am it's 800 for emergency care with a 5k deductible

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