In my opinion, everyone should be able to collect unemployment, if anyone can. If a business needs to downsize, then they're still going to cut the the 10% of people they can get away with cutting, whether the low performing or just unluckily recently hired. I don't see any reason to deny it to people that "quit" or those that were fired for cause. It's all a spectrum. Just have a hard limit on how long unemployment lasts and let everyone take it to the extent they paid in. Making the businesses pay for employment is stupid as shit. Only California could think of something that retarded.
Yeah, I can agree with that. The way it works in my state, unemployment that is collected skyrockets the UI all businesses with employees have to carry, which would lower the ability for a small business to give raises and bonuses. I'd rather be able to compensate those who work what they're worth rather than pay for someone who cannot do their job.
In California, they don't have receipts from UI to cover their unemployment. They collect from employers and employees, while they work, but it's not sufficient. So what they do is make companies actually pay for the employees they lay off. Except instead of paying the employee the former employer pays the state and the state pays the employee. Among other things, this incentivizes employers to say that they fired people for cause so that they don't have to pay.
Apparently this happens in Europe as well, and it contributes to their terrible job market. Hiring someone makes them almost a lifetime dependent, so you have every incentive to use contractors or outsource or just do less business rather than hire. It's a welfare state overload problem.
I see. In Missouri, employers pay in UI based on the amount of labor on their payroll.
If someone gets fired, they have to report their last 9 months of work, even if different companies. If they can collect, the most recent employer has to pay a penalty on their UI for the next year. It's not taken out of employees' checks, either.
I only had the one claim, and it was driven primarily by her boyfriend who at the time had a fraudulent work comp claim and was sue-happy. For about two weeks, she just wouldnt show up at the scheduled time, no warning. She was supposed to be there at 8am (I'd let people show up a few minutes late but no later than 815) and she wouldnt show until around 930, one time was after 11. I'd try to call and text and get no response, she'd just show up late like it was all okay.
I asked her if she wanted to go down to part time, how can I help, etc. and wrote her up. In the warning it stated if she does it again she is fired.
She was fired bc she just continued to do it, and when I had to let her go, she was shocked (like I'm a doormat or something?). Then she tried to file a discrimination claim bc she was pregnant and also filed unemployment. I had a fairly new business and those claims, if I could not disprove them, would have shut down my business.
It sucks bc I really want to provide jobs and there are people out there who just take advantage of the system. I was taught long ago to always have a solid paper trail.
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