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Thanks.

There were some legal type ones I have seen here that seemed to have gotten a few employers to change their mandate.

I wish they were tagged or all gathered in one place.

Seems they will be important for many more people very soon.

Thanks. There were some legal type ones I have seen here that seemed to have gotten a few employers to change their mandate. I wish they were tagged or all gathered in one place. Seems they will be important for many more people very soon.

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Those are some great forms

You present them. If the employer refuses to sign, you send the form to every other employee and let them know the employer refused to sign

This is good

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Thank you!!!! I will be using this.

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Glad I could help.

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You should start by sending them an email requesting their indemnity insurance policy number before you'd being willing to discuss anything else vaccine related. They might also call it liability insurance. The point being that, by the governments/CDC's own numbers you're more likely to get injured from wearing a mask than the "pandemic", let alone taking the vaccine. Also, tell them you might be willing to vaccinate, IF...they can prove to you that your or any government has isolated a viral infection known as "COVID-19".

There are literally 100s of ways you could go about this, that's why everyone gets so confused about it. But basically, just keep your cool, don't get emotional, and use common sense when communicating with them. Do it all in writing. DON'T overcomplicate this. It's actually incredibly simple.

EDIT: Oh, also...if there is anyone else you work with who is like minded with you on this, do this with them. Simple strength in numbers.

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I think those smartass methods will only aggravate employers and make oneself a target for harrassment. The best strategy is to claim religious exemption since it's one of the few excuses that is a genuine legal minefield for employers.

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No, you're retarded. Who cares about aggravating an employer who's so shitty they're trying to trick you into thinking they can force you to take a death shot...? Secondly, I know exactly what I'm talking about. During all this time I've interviewed and gotten a new job and been promoted all while never wearing a mask...in the state of Illinois...

For a big fortune 50 company no less. I don't just talk about this shit, I walk the walk. Part of that was taking a drug test at a medical clinic, which I also did maskless. Have I ever had to send emails and ask for indemnity insurance policy numbers? No, because apparently the people I interact with can tell I know what they really can force you to do, which is almost nothing.

This whole thing is your employers trying to get you to think they can force you to do this shit, THEY CAN'T...and you just have to know that. I swear, it must be spiritual or something because, despite everything, I've never had to do more than calmly say "No thank you." It's amazing.

You can go the religious exemption route, but I'm just saying...you can also just say no. I don't even care at this point. The time to learn how to say no to a face diaper was over a year ago. I tried to help others, but...here we are. What if everyone would have joined me and the few brave others calling this all what is was from the beginning: the common cold. Flu season...

I don't wish ill on any of you, but this situation is exactly why I successfully set in motion a plan to be able to live out of my car at any moment.

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Brenda in HR: Hey Steve, that neck beard in shipping and receiving asked me to show him a picture of an isolated covid virus when I reminded him to wear his mask. HR Manager Steve: Is that the same guy who refused to fill out a W4 because of the UCC or personal sovereignty or some other bullshit? Brenda: Yeah, that's the guy. Steve: Fuck it, just let him be, everyone avoids him anyway.

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The guy who cant pay his rent without keeping that job from shitty employer X.

Thats the guy who is worried about angering those in the leadership positions at his shitty company.

There are literally millions of Americans living paycheck to paycheck struggling to get out of debt, telling them to tell and employer anything, isnt conducive to them bettering their situation.

Yes I know and agree, that working for those shitty people, is part of the problem. A motherfucker has to eat, and many find theft immoral.

I myself have done it, several times, the last time was over a flu shot before all of this covid shit. I refused to get that shit, so was told i had to mask, so i told them that i didnt need that job bad enough to deal with their BS and left within 10 minutes.

Too many Americans dont have that luxury though, and quitting a job isn't an option for them from a realistic perspective.

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Nigger, I make $50 an hour, my OT is double time and I get 10 of those hours every week.

I care about being targeted for layoff for taking the wrong tack telling my employer to fuck off with the fag juice.

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Out of curiosity, what religion would it be? Does this work for traveling without a vaccine?

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Christian scientist is the best to claim, or so I've heard.

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The most important thing you can do is talk with other co-workers about your concerns. Even of they are personally in support of the Vaxx, they might be willing to side with you over a forced shot.

And when/if you get notification in writing that you'll be disciplined or fired for not getting a shot, look into your options for legal representation. Waiting won't help your situation, and something as simple as a letter from your attorney might be enough to stop them or slow it down. Plus, a lawyer can ask all those pointed legal questions without YOU coming across as a dick and potentially ruining work relationships. Assuming you want to stay working where you are.

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"i know i know.. Its just.. I m not getting the vaccine hahahahaha"

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No job is worth your life.

"Are adverse reactions covered by worker's comp?"

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Just say yes to wherever they ask you, then do whatever you want. If they want documentation, say it's a private medical matter you won't discuss.

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Vaccine Mandate Protest Letter

No authorship claim or copyright asserted...this letter just came to me in a bottle, and I have no idea who might have penned it, nor can I possibly vouch for it, and what you fine folks do with it is entirely in your own hands, as the Gentlemen of the Bar remind me I can proffer no general legal advice in the matter, and must officially disclaim proffering any such advice here...edit and excise as you see fit, amend and append as you desire, and claim authorship or anonymity as may best befit you...as always, as you wish...

Dear Boss,

Compelling any employee to take any current Covid-19 vaccine violates federal and state law, and subjects the employer to substantial liability risk, including liability for any injury the employee may suffer from the vaccine. Many employers have reconsidered issuing such a mandate after more fruitful review with legal counsel, insurance providers, and public opinion advisors of the desires of employees and the consuming public. Even the Kaiser Foundation warned of the legal risk in this respect. (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/key-questions-about-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/)

Three key concerns: first, while the vaccine remains unapproved by the FDA and authorized only for emergency use, federal law forbids mandating it, in accordance with the Nuremberg Code of 1947; second, the Americans with Disabilities Act proscribes, punishes and penalizes employers who invasively inquire into their employees' medical status and then treat those employees differently based on their medical status, as the many AIDS related cases of decades ago fully attest; and third, international law, Constitutional law, specific statutes and the common law of torts all forbid conditioning access to employment upon coerced, invasive medical examinations and treatment, unless the employer can fully provide objective, scientifically validated evidence of the threat from the employee and how no practicable alternative could possible suffice to mitigate such supposed public health threat and still perform the necessary essentials of employment.

At the outset, consider the "problem" being "solved" by vaccination mandates. The previously infected are better protected than the vaccinated, so why aren't they exempted? Equally, the symptomatic can be self-isolated. Hence, requiring vaccinations only addresses one risk: dangerous or deadly transmission, by the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic employee, in the employment setting. Yet even government official Mr. Fauci admits, as scientific studies affirm, asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly and "very rare." Indeed, initial data suggests the vaccinated are just as, or even much more, likely to transmit the virus as the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. Hence, the vaccine solves nothing. This evidentiary limitation on any employer's decision making, aside from the legal and insurance risks of forcing vaccinations as a term of employment without any accommodation or even exception for the previously infected (and thus better protected), is the reason most employers wisely refuse to mandate the vaccine. This doesn't even address the arbitrary self-limitation of the pool of talent for the employer: why reduce your own talent pool, when many who refuse invasive inquiries or risky treatment may be amongst your most effective, efficient and profitable employees?

First, federal law prohibits any mandate of the Covid-19 vaccines as unlicensed, emergency-use-authorization-only vaccines. Subsection bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of section 360 of Title 21 of the United States Code, otherwise known as the Emergency Use Authorization section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, demands that everyone give employees the "option to accept or refuse administration" of the Covid-19 vaccine. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3 ) This right to refuse emergency, experimental vaccines, such as the Covid-19 vaccine, implements the internationally agreed legal requirement of Informed Consent established in the Nuremberg Code of 1947. (http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/ ). As the Nuremberg Code established, every person must "be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision" for any medical experimental drug, as the Covid-19 vaccine currently is. The Nuremberg Code prohibited even the military from requiring such experimental vaccines. (Doe 1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (D.D.C. 2003).

Second, demanding employees divulge their personal medical information invades their protected right to privacy, and discriminates against them based on their perceived medical status, in contravention of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (42 USC §12112(a).) Indeed, the ADA prohibits employers from invasive inquiries about their medical status, and that includes questions about diseases and treatments for those diseases, such as vaccines. As the EEOC makes clear, an employer can only ask medical information if the employer can prove the medical information is both job-related and necessary for the business. (https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-and-answers-enforcement-guidance-disability-related-inquiries-and-medical). An employer that treats an individual employee differently based on that employer’s belief the employee’s medical condition impairs the employee is discriminating against that employee based on perceived medical status disability, in contravention of the ADA. The employer must have proof that the employer cannot keep the employee, even with reasonable accommodations, before any adverse action can be taken against the employee. If the employer asserts the employee’s medical status (such as being unvaccinated against a particular disease) precludes employment, then the employer must prove that the employee poses a “safety hazard” that cannot be reduced with a reasonable accommodation. The employer must prove, with objective, scientifically validated evidence, that the employee poses a materially enhanced risk of serious harm that no reasonable accommodation could mitigate. This requires the employee's medical status cause a substantial risk of serious harm, a risk that cannot be reduced by any another means. This is a high, and difficult burden, for employers to meet. Just look at the all prior cases concerning HIV and AIDS, when employers discriminated against employees based on their perceived dangerousness, and ended up paying millions in legal fees, damages and fines.

Third, conditioning continued employment upon participating in a medical experiment and demanding disclosure of private, personal medical information, may also create employer liability under other federal and state laws, including HIPAA, FMLA, and applicable state tort law principles, including torts prohibiting and proscribing invasions of privacy and battery. Indeed, any employer mandating a vaccine is liable to their employee for any adverse event suffered by that employee. The CDC records reports of the adverse events already reported to date concerning the current Covid-19 vaccine.(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html )

Finally, forced vaccines constitute a form of battery, and the Supreme Court long made clear "no right is more sacred than the right of every individual to the control of their own person, free from all restraint or interference of others." (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/141/250)

With Regards, Employee of the Year

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check out vivabarneslaw.locals.com (Robert Barnes a lawyer busy with a lot of front line cases in regards to vaccine mandates)

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/julio-c-gomez-rutgers-false-emails-students-covid-vaccine-mandate/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/take-action/tell-schools-universities-no-vaccine-mandates-for-children-young-adults/ Robert F Kennedy's website with a lot of template letters and information on mandates

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Some good stuff here: https://poal.co/s/vax/

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have you tried searchvoat?

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I have a response to that.

"Go Fuck Yourself!"

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