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Butteryfly theory style.

If we're pulling energy out of the wind that was going to go elsewhere, could that impact the weather more than power plants?

Butteryfly theory style. If we're pulling energy out of the wind that was going to go elsewhere, could that impact the weather more than power plants?

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Yes. Same way that solar panels pull energy out of the sun.... Soon there will be no wind and no sun.

Lets roll another one and contemplate that scenario...

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Your comment is funny but ignores an actual issue. Wind currents have a very noticeable effect on local temps, as well as temps in other places. There are also plans to place windfarms at higher altitudes to capture jet stream currents, that is when everyone will start to notice the problems.

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I remember setting up solar panels once and it got really dark when we were done. Seems they worked so good all the light was gone...

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Holy crap! Did the solar panel absorb too much sunlight or... or... Do solar panels cause moisture to gather in the atmosphere to create some other unknown force that bends the sunlight into another dimension?

Rolling another one.....

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We had to switch to solar because the after the windmill install no one could breathe.

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so it was night time when you were done?

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Solar panels take sunlight that would have otherwise gone to plants If the panels weren't there, so technically it is taking the sunlight from where it should have gone.

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Ahhhh, so I'd better not get any solar panels if I want any kind of harvest this year. Thanks for the tip!

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Rolling one now...

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When there is no wind, there will be less evaporation of moisture from our skin and we would over-heat... But that will me mitigated because there will be no sun to make us hot in the first place!

cough ... 'ear... You wanna hit off this? cough

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I do want a hit... Thanks. Cough....

While plausible, this scenario is unlikely. There would have to be literally 1000s of windmills everywhere to even have a negligible effect.

Passing joint...

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I love this thought process but the weed is telling me to "get real". Solar panels do not "pull" energy from the sun. They "absorb" the sun's energy. Totally different.

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Ahh yes, "absorb" is more accurate than "pull". What about the Earth's magnetic field? Could it be "pulling" more than it's 'fair share' of the Sun's energy? We need moar magnetic field control if we are ever to save the planet.

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True. But if we are to get our magnetic field under our control, we need to do it fast. It is getting smaller and smaller.

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Rolling is so September tenth.

We all vape now Mmmmmkay

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I'm old school, man. I still use a double album cover and a matchbook to 'roll' the seeds out... ;)

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You have to use the right album though..

All you young ones, I suggest:

Frampton Comes Alive - Peter Frampton

2112 - Rush

The magician's birthday - Uriah Heep

News of the World - Queen

Selling England by the Pound - Genesis

Chicago II

Maybe some old Yes, but I don't remember if they released any gate-fold albums.

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Sweet man. Can you hook me up with a lid of thai sticks?

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The amount of energy taken from the environment by these renewable farms is infinitesimally small. It's a delusional leftist narrative that such small scale human activity can have significant impacts on natural processes. Tiny variations in solar activity will have more impact on our atmosphere and thus winds than all global human activity.

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Even a small change to wind patterns can have drastic climate consequences in the newrby regions. I don't think what windmills are doing to the weather patterns is insignificant.

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Some, think of how much the atmosphere weighs as a whole. At sea level, every square inch has 14.7 pounds pressing down on it, now multiply that by the surface of the Earth. That's a lot of mass, you don't even think about it because your experience with air doesn't show you the mass. Air is really freaking heavy, if it wasn't for air pressing down on you your blood pressure would make you bleed out of your eyes.

It's because air is just a medium to transmit energy, air has energy in it, Oxygen in the air is responsible for fire.

What is fire? It's just rapidly forming compounds. Free radicals come along and rip molecular bonds apart, energy is consumed, and then the broken molecules bond with other broken molecules and release energy in the form of heat.

It's crazy right, breaking bonds absorbs energy, temperature goes down, forming bonds releases energy, temperature goes up. It's just like with people, you break bonds, you get depressed, energy is absorbed, you form bonds, energy is released, you feel good.

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Everything is one form or another of energy. Therefore everything affects everything else. E=mc²

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Yes, it is fascinating the complexities of our world and the universe... and we haven't scratched the surface of understanding those complexities.

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Even the human body itself is an enigma. Our brains are so complex, and our minds seems to be an electromagnetic holographic projection of trillions and trillions of neurons interacting.

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Yes, and there are those that believe it all happened by accident. They claim, everything came from nothing and while the universe decays, it creates/ evolves into new life.

Possibly. You're taking energy out of wind. Wind transfers energy through the air. Get rid of that, or weaken its effect, and it can have consequences for the climate both locally and possibly globally. Similarly with solar panels. Normally sunlight that hits the ground is partially reflected and partially absorbed as heat. Photovoltaics convert photons directly into electricity. The electricity is then transferred elsewhere to be used. That has several ramifications: - Instead of being reflected out into space, the sunlight is captured as electricity. Effectively this is a change to the albedo. Electricity is then used to power the grid, meaning almost 100% of it gets dissipated as heat. Yes, you are reading that right: Solar panels cause global warming. - Heat is moved from one location to another. Instead of being generated where sunlight hits the ground, it is now moved in the form of electricity and dissipated elsewhere.

Now, we have to be careful about jumping to conclusions. While these effects are undeniable, there is a question of whether they are significant.

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On a global scale the impact shoul be infinitesimal on a regional scale a large wind farm could be effective as a row of trees or a forrest at effecting windspeed.

One of the countermeasures against the dustbowl was planting rows of trees between crops and it did help cut down on dust storms. It's pretty obvious a treeline will cut windspeed.

I imagine the bigger concern is the heat island effect, imagine thousands of square miles of black terrain being added all over the earth creating heat vortexes and effecting wind patterns on a regional scale but it's happening in basically every region on the planet excepting mongolia, central africa, and polar circles.

People ridiculing you, for the most part, haven't thought about this at all.

I would love to see some simulations on the effects of these factors on weather patterns.

Now to be fair it takes a mountain range to break down a real storm but even hills can cause a tornado to fall apart.

The scale and effects of weather systems and their total energy are decreasingly intuitive as they get larger, I'd bet part of this is nonlinear growth and our two common perspectives are from above and below a storm but the height of a storm front is generally ignored. Those factors combined with the way atmospheric energy can rapidly flash into a stormcell without much warning is why weather seems so mysterious, it's unintuitive that a clear sky is full of energy that can begin to convert when a variable changes.

There is a difference between a row of trees and a wind farm. While trees dissipate the wind energy and turn it into heat, wind farms capture the energy and whisk it away elsewhere. The heat is now generated elsewhere--where the energy is used.

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OP mentioned butterfly effect so I was thinking in terms of air currents and weather systems.

Shouldn't the heat effect of wind friction in a forrest be neutral anyway?

As to wind turbines, they can catch fire from friction

I'm not sure what you mean by neutral. The windmills are taking energy which would have otherwise been dissipated as heat and they're carrying it elsewhere as electricity. They also affect the strength of wind. Even small effects to wind can have drastic effects on the weather in the surrounding areas.

However, the size of the effect and whether it's significant is hard to determine.

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People ridiculing you

Pretty much the internet in general

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Using your logic, tree branches swaying in the wind are 'pulling' energy, so we should cut down all the trees.
There are several valid arguments against wind farms and wind energy, but this isn't one of them.

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Logically a tree branch does take energy of the wind that moves it, based on newton's laws. The wind power on our planet is just so extremely vast that it's an immeasurably small amount.

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You are absolutely right, but it isn't a bad thing as OP implies.

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ya, the world was covered in trees before humans

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You don't think trees can block wind? People plant windbreaks for this.

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In theory yes, wind energy is being transferred into electricity. But the question is if it's enough to matter, I think it would take a ridiculous amount of turbines to have any real effect, probably impossible.

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I suspect the bigger concern is they kill bats by the truckload.

Bats like... Do shit, ecologically. I see the potential for plenty of Maoist bullshit.

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Bats like any bird shit out nitrates so they're flying fertilisers.

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That wind was going to provide stress to the plants which they need otherwise they become weak and start to wilt. Taxing the wind of its energy is creating a limp and puny plant society dependent upon the government to prop them up by tying them to sticks stuck into the ground. What are the sticks made of? You guessed it... Trees cut down from the rainforest. It's a vicious cycle.

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The planet is very big our little wind mills won't do shit.

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