>>In a real fight, you may want to avoid fighting with a closed fist. It is easy to break fingers and it is not as efficient as hitting with the bottom of your wrist. (One thing about the bottom of your wrist is...that it fits nicely inside the eye socket) That's what bas rutten recommends, he actually broke his hand with a punch, for the little story. At the same time I would say, stick to the devil you know. Some are kind of gifted with the fist, it comes good naturally, and they have strong bones. While some aren't, I think. Ideally, you strike with anything but your body, you use your body as last resort. I think that's a good rule of thumb in terms of "non-ritual" combat. Because clinched fist comes for what I call ritual combat. It's not exactly a war stuff, while at the same time a KO is a KO, mission accomplished lol >>If the Karate chop is used by the bottom of the wrist (its not) to the neck, it should be effective. Carapals group/pysiform? https://pic8.co/sh/7TpX99.jpeg