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Here are examples

https://youtu.be/67isFmH5vQ8?t=21

This one explains how the above worked https://youtu.be/MYUJkLHIzr4?t=32 so the above is deemed legit by that guy

Hm this one didn't work https://youtu.be/_NlRdptj4hw?t=33

Here it's seems to be confirmed by a doctor https://youtu.be/3WDzQdKbfM0?t=141

And here you have abib doing it on tyrone https://youtu.be/T9U9nQjbv8o

I didn't experience it one way or the other so I can't tell how reliable that is and "what's the catch" if any

Here are examples https://youtu.be/67isFmH5vQ8?t=21 This one explains how the above worked https://youtu.be/MYUJkLHIzr4?t=32 so the above is deemed legit by that guy Hm this one didn't work https://youtu.be/_NlRdptj4hw?t=33 Here it's seems to be confirmed by a doctor https://youtu.be/3WDzQdKbfM0?t=141 And here you have abib doing it on tyrone https://youtu.be/T9U9nQjbv8o I didn't experience it one way or the other so I can't tell how reliable that is and "what's the catch" if any

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I trained in martial arts for several year and we had a few sessions about defending from the neck chop... My conclusions:

  1. Yes there is a nerve bundle in the neck that is a weakness but not one that is easily exploited in real fights.

  2. That nerve bundle is VERY hard to hit properly. It is like hitting the 'funny bone' spot on your elbow. If you hit it just right it can make your entire arm go numb but it is such a small target and in slightly different positions on everyone such that it is not a practical target. Our teacher had to find it on each student with a little trial and error. It is not a tactic I think is viable in real situations.

  3. It effects everyone differently. Just as some people have a 'glass jaw' and others do not... with the neck chop some people can just shake it off and some people crumple to the floor.

  4. Just like boxing, and getting hit in the face, if you know what to expect you are better prepared. An experienced boxer can keep his wits and stay in the fight even if a specific hit made them see stars... same thing with the neck chop.

Bottom line... If I get into a fight I am WAY more worried about getting hit in the face than about the neck chop.

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Thank you

That confirms what I suspected, especially when it comes to 2 and 3

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It is a jarring experience. It feels like you were hit with a pipe upside your head.

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I guess you experienced it, right? Was it given by a guy of your size? Smaller? Bigger?

[–] • 1 pt

When training. Various people. All sizes.

[–] • 2 pts

I don't have strong experience with that particular nerve, but I've been kicked on the side of the neck during sparring without any real effect. I was surprised once that a hard strike to the nerve running down the side of my leg could make me feel dizzy though.

As far as effectiveness goes, if you hit it hard enough in the right spot, it should be fairly effective. You shouldn't be doing that unless you feel justified in injuring the person. I wouldn't say it's a better target than the temple or jaw though.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

In a real fight, you may want to avoid fighting with a closed fist. It is easy to break fingers and it is not as efficient as hitting with the bottom of your wrist. (One thing about the bottom of your wrist is...that it fits nicely inside the eye socket)

In a real fight, every hit is welcome...but especially the sensitive parts ...you guessed it...neck.

If the Karate chop is used by the bottom of the wrist (its not) to the neck, it should be effective.

Moving forward, lets talk a bit about the Chinese.

Emperor Chin was able to unite the Kingdom of China with his soldiers. These guys were so furious....they did not stop to eat. They simply ate the necks of their horses as they rode into battle.

Clearly...this is bullshit.

And you need to realise how the Chinese have been consistently full of shit since the beginning of their history. This is because lying, is part of their culture. They literally wrote a book about it called...The Art of War.

These martial arts are ALL bullshit.

Bruce Lee is an actor...just as every Chinese martial artist. These guys would not last a second in MMA or a Box match...

Matter of fact...the Asians have absolutely zero memorable martial artists.

[–] • 0 pt

>In a real fight, you may want to avoid fighting with a closed fist. It is easy to break fingers and it is not as efficient as hitting with the bottom of your wrist. (One thing about the bottom of your wrist is...that it fits nicely inside the eye socket)

That's what bas rutten recommends, he actually broke his hand with a punch, for the little story. At the same time I would say, stick to the devil you know. Some are kind of gifted with the fist, it comes good naturally, and they have strong bones. While some aren't, I think. Ideally, you strike with anything but your body, you use your body as last resort. I think that's a good rule of thumb in terms of "non-ritual" combat. Because clinched fist comes for what I call ritual combat. It's not exactly a war stuff, while at the same time a KO is a KO, mission accomplished lol

>If the Karate chop is used by the bottom of the wrist (its not) to the neck, it should be effective.

Carapals group/pysiform? https://pic8.co/sh/7TpX99.jpeg

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Yes had this done to me... It will knock you out

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I knew this thread would bring out all of the fedora afficionados.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I was once sucker 'chopped' to the neck by a guy. Just felt like some force to the neck.

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The "theory" behind it seems valid to me about that phrenic and vagus nerves story as far as I can tell https://pic8.co/sh/zgsBm8.gif

https://pic8.co/sh/gwJ3Pr.jpeg

https://pic8.co/sh/IE2nVE.gif

But then I suspect that it's not "just about anywhere over there" on the neck, even more when you're dealing with a heavy weight, with a lot of muscles and flesh and fat around the said nerve

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

It's not really effective as kicking them in the knee and chopping them in the throat, but you should be aiming for a straight shot the adam's apple.

Hold your right hand in front of your heart, then make a tiger claw. Don't move your elbow and move your hand forward in a sharp striking motion.

The ideal scenario is that you kick them in the knee, and they reflexively look down (like a micro expression) while your tiger claw is hitting their windpipe. Ideally, you follow this up with a combo, then go for the chokehold, with zero hesitation. If you're lucky, they will offer you the back of their head, once you've dinged their knee and neck.

Alternatively, if you aren't feinting, and they are a poor adversary, they may put their head down enough that a tiger claw should be replaced with a simple upper cut to the throat.

Chopping someone's neck with a karate chop telegraphs where your body is going to be following the chop so anyone who has sparred even a little bit is going to handle you.

None of this advice, even the karate chop, is good as a mid-fight maneuver... both are opening gambits.

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>It's not really effective as kicking them in the knee and chopping them in the throat, but you should be aiming for a straight shot the adam's apple.

I have mixed feeling about that, I'm not a fan of kicks in the knee except when I wear "safety shoes" outdoor construction types, those are just insane for kicks in the knee, it's not even fair lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_x0UPhalE

And for the adam's apple, here's the deal:

Once a guy came at me started to fuck with me and I've seen him coming, and I knee what he was up to

And right away I threw an open hand right to his throat, half way between a punch and a grip, he literally went off ground and landed on his ass, his heels went off ground, vertically

And to my surprise, he was shocked, but not knocked out, he succeeded at getting up and he went the other way going back for his pals lol

But it kind of did nothing to him, it did but it didn't at the same time

On the flip side if I went for the adam's apple karate style like this https://pic8.co/sh/DBBHEu.jpeg "hirake" with the front knuckles, I think it would kill... And that would be overkill lol

[–] • 2 pts

On the flip side if I went for the adam's apple karate style like this https://pic8.co/sh/DBBHEu.jpeg "hirake" with the front knuckles, I think it would kill... And that would be overkill lol

It wouldn't.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

That's not what I heard about this particular technique

I mean, there's a good chance that the trachea and the larynx get damaged, literally beyond repair

Look at that shit https://pic8.co/sh/Hdw3Kr.png I don't think a punch like that https://pic8.co/sh/EGh1tr.jpeg , full force, and even slightly up right between the "Epiglottis" and "laryngeal prominence" is exactly the very definition of completely safe and healthy...

I think there are chances that the whole shit would break/explode, and the guy starts to die, by suffocating to death

Needless to mention that there's the thyroid right behind...

I mean to me, such strike as described above, right there... It spells doom

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I'll stick to the Vulcan Nerve Pinch thanks

[–] • -1 pt (edited )

It's real, but you need to be very precise, and have good technique. Tapping it isn't enough, you have to strike it with your palm, the bone just ahead of your wrist.

The one that didn't work was done on the shoulders.

It works but your opponent isn't going to stand still and let you do it.

There is also a death touch, but I'm not going to reveal it, for national security reasons. I'll only say it's a hammer blow.

It's a variation of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqp7Upe5GM0

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You wear a fedora, by any chance?

[–] • 0 pt

I hate hats, not a hat person. I'm 9% body fat, 143 lbs, I've been fighting and training for 29 years.

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Do you wear a dress, and makeup?

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I feel like, this is the kind of technique, that is just not going to work on joyce's neck https://youtu.be/dVs2XwlZak4?t=47 like not at all. If you can get past his lead arm in the first place, let alone the rear one. Especially if you're smaller.

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When you lean forward you take away all your power. If you drive off the back foot, and coil your waist you strike with a lot more speed and power. Much more than just leaning forward off balance.

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>When you lean forward you take away all your power.

Are you sure? https://youtu.be/lSiWRBT-P20?t=890 it doesn't look like all the power was lost on this one, quite the opposite

[–] • -1 pt (edited )

Those punches are weak, slow, and telegraphed. Poor technique. The hand you punch with should ALWAYS be powered by the opposite leg. If you throw a right uppercut drive off the left heel.

This guy doesn't have good footwork, he throws one of those punches and I'll end up almost behind him. Then he either eats a punch or turns towards me then eats a punch. Either way he eats a punch.

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

Those punches aren't weak, they are fast, clean, and powerful

You take one like that in the jaw you're done

And as a matter of fact, he ruined the other guy just with his jab, and there's nothing he could do against that

And it's not as if he only knows the jab

Let's be honest, you wouldn't take a fight against him, let alone prevail

> The hand you punch with should ALWAYS be powered by the opposite leg.

The punch isn't "powered" by the opposite leg, as in push on your leg to power your punch

The punch is powered by the weight transfer of the whole body

On a hook from the rear arm (right) for instance, the lead leg (left) acts as counter/stopper, so you don't get dragged too far forward by your own punch and land flat on your face as a result