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As the title says. I'm turning 33 in a few weeks, and in repair mode from a decade of nihilism and stupid choices. Once I hit 30, I realized this is serious, and I no longer have some endless infinite amount of time in front of me... made a lot of drastic decisions like ghosting all of my deadbeat friends, and establishing something long term for myself. Fast forward to now, I have a pretty good career in software development and started a small home repair type business which could hopefully turn into something big as time goes on. Mentally I'm in a far better place as well, with a positive outlook on the future. But the truth is, I'm lost with finding a quality girl, and part of me feels like its too late as its something I had to figure out in my late teens or early 20's.

With that said, what traits or actions should I (or anyone) possess to increase the odds of finding someone who is a keeper? This place has a way with honesty and bluntness, which is exactly why I'm asking this here. Thanks.

As the title says. I'm turning 33 in a few weeks, and in repair mode from a decade of nihilism and stupid choices. Once I hit 30, I realized this is serious, and I no longer have some endless infinite amount of time in front of me... made a lot of drastic decisions like ghosting all of my deadbeat friends, and establishing something long term for myself. Fast forward to now, I have a pretty good career in software development and started a small home repair type business which could hopefully turn into something big as time goes on. Mentally I'm in a far better place as well, with a positive outlook on the future. But the truth is, I'm lost with finding a quality girl, and part of me feels like its too late as its something I had to figure out in my late teens or early 20's. With that said, what traits or actions should I (or anyone) possess to increase the odds of finding someone who is a keeper? This place has a way with honesty and bluntness, which is exactly why I'm asking this here. Thanks.

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Stoicism is the answer. The best advice you could ever receive about women is simply this: put zero, absolutely zero stock in to anything that comes out of any woman's mouth. Court attention at all cost. The only time to defend yourself is in public when your reputation is at immediate risk. This is the only time you're allowed to apologize. Going to women for advice is like a hunter asking a rabbit how it'd like to be shot. You seriously think it's going to tell you? You ask another hunter, "hey, man, can you show me how to get better at hunting?"

If you do nothing else, quit masturbating and using porn, work out with no exceptions at least five times a week, actually read some damn books and get your money going. Quit your job and get that business up and running. Be financially independent. Now, as for finding women that might be worth it - good luck. Let me know when you find a good place. To be a little more serious though, women are very malleable. Find one that doesn't have tattoos and seems to dress with some modesty. Screen early on by asking about how she feels about the internet at large. Inquire about how many kinds of social media she uses. Ask how often she's on tiktok, twitter, instagram, etc. Ask if she's done online dating before (instant next on a yes). Keep in mind, there's many out there that don't use them.

Other than that just wear clothes that fit, wear something that smells nice, smile at people and be willing to talk to someone even if someone might hear you. If you can do those things while not being fat, especially if you're just in basically good shape, you're doing better than the vast majority of guys out there. Last thing: women can always tell if you're low T. Notice the shit test and either agree and amplify or just give a simple chuckle.

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What’s the shit test

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Well, in reverse of what many seem to typically guess, it's actually an indication of interest of some kind. A woman will never give someone attention if they're indifferent. The only exception is when she gathers simps. A shit test, to be short, is a challenge of your ability to guide, protect or provide. If you do not pass, you're just some other uninteresting simp of which there is no shortage. What is in shortage, however, in most women's minds these days, if nothing else, is a man that can guide, protect or provide. You aim is to fall in the latter category; at least to interest her enough to explore you further.

Just remember, all publicity is good publicity. If a woman tells you how disgusting you are, you win (but maybe you should dial it back a little so people don't begin to conspire at your expense). If you make them gasp, you win. If you arouse them, you clearly win. If you anger them, you win again. If you trigger them, you still win.

*as a side note: Women are conquered, not won.

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If she is straightforward, honest (even if she too has made a few poor decisions in the past), willing to communicate, thinks beyond material things, and values family I think you should give her a chance.

Check out Meetups (not a dating site) and filter for groups interested in outdoors, foraging, fishing, conservative/republican, libertarian, car shows/mechanical, trade workers, etc. Get to know women in those types of groups. Even if some only want to be friends, network from there. Chances are they know someone looking to date and you can be "referred" by someone who knows your not a creep lol

Theres always church groups too, but that can be hit or miss

Thank you for your answer. I'm moving from the Chicago suburbs to somewhere in Texas in the 18-24 months, it looks like I have a great opportunity in front of me.

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I realized now that I totally read the end of your post as "what actions or traits should I look for in a keeper"

Good luck in Texas! I think there is a good chance you will find the right woman there!

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Women want someone that follows through, doesn’t play games, is capable, provides, is supportive, is honest but not too honest (at least at the beginning), is respectful, is hard working, smells nice 😂…

And, I’d cast a wide net. It’s a numbers game. You may have to go through 20 dates, but don’t give up. There are good women your age out there everywhere but you have to approach finding them with a plan of massive action. Don’t give up! Keep chugging along no matter how painful or how much work it is. And don’t get discouraged. You’re the man, you ultimately have time … but if you want it all right now, you gotta put in the work.

You got this!

This is very important to me, so persistence will push me through any frustrations. Thanks for your answer!

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Now that I'm not as inebriated, I will attempt to give you quality advice. Establish yourself, keep building your business and in a few years you can marry a younger woman. Your value in the eyes of women is only going up, as long as you aren't getting fat, weak and ugly as time passes. Be an ultra conservative traditional white male. Demand for real men is only increasing. We're approaching an era where females will reject soy faggots and crave masculinity. Keep building yourself and soon the women will be lining up. I'm willing to bet there are women who want you right now, but they may not be up to an acceptable standard. Don't compromise. Be patient.

I'm responding late, but thank you for your advice. A simpler version of what you said existed in my mind in a blurrier, more ambiguous way, and its very helpful to read that concrete explanation. I just have to continue doing exactly what I'm doing right now. I feel very good about the future. Thanks again and happy 4th.

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Have a big dick. I don't know how else to help you. Worked for me, but I still hate women.

Advice unclear, going out in public with a raging boner from now on.

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It will probably work. Godspeed King.

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Don't be a fucking pussy.

Be a pussy-fucker.

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I'm in a similar situation. Me and my ex-fiance were about to buy a house and start our family and he bailed at the last second. I had to get my shit in order to afford the home alone and now I've just turned 27. I'm starting my first company, but super behind on family now. Probably going to co-parent or use a doner and have kids alone. I'm too old to start a relationship from scratch.

I'm not sure what advice to give. Here are some random things that might help:

  • You can literally meet a chill girl anywhere. Some people say avoid dating apps. They can be a powerful tool if you learn to use them correctly and ignore bad traffic. Make a good profile explaining what you want and don't waste weeks/months chatting someone up. Be direct about meeting within a week or two in person and limit mobile communication to see if they're serious or not. Get to know them in the real world. Many girls will drag that shit on forever online.

  • Meeting in real life is awesome. Church, gym, grocery store, hobby groups. Men almost never approach me and I'm one of the good looking ones. Especially not since COVID. I have literally not heard of a single couple that hasn't met each other through school or online dating. Start practicing smiling and waving at strangers. Move onto small chat with mothers/older men you pass. Once you get good at it move towards potential girlfriends. It's hard to learn to be chatty if you're socially retarded or an introvert. So practice it well.

  • Workout. Care for your body. I would never consider even using someone as a doner if they didn't so much as respect their own bodies. Work really hard to look good. Be proud. Be confident. Even if you're on the older side we are a part of the loneliest generation who has never known true compassion and love in a romantic manner. You can take someone who is a little broken and glue them into a whole person and suitable life partner.

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Don't be too hard on yourself. Despite the stupid meme advice on here and elsewhere that women hit their biological prime at 18 and anything older is downhill, I promise you're perfectly fine. My mother was 28 when she had her first child (me), and at least over here, its very common for women to have children well into their 30's and sometimes beyond. As for finding a relationship, from the tiny bit I know about you, you seem like a responsible and smart person. I couldn't see why you'd have a problem finding someone like that, considering there is an ocean of childish immature people out there.

But thanks for taking the time for your advice. I've been relatively introverted since I was a child, but not to the point I'm a lost cause lol. I just have to get back to socializing with strangers more often like you said, and it will get easier. Thats really good advice on how to work up confidence. Your post definitely gave me more clarity on what my game plan is, so really.. thank you. I wish the best for you as well!

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Thanks!

My mother had 5 children from the age of 31-41. Genetically I'm lucky there. I'm not too worried, it just would have been nice to have a family at 25 and be in a more stable position. Starting around 28 will still give me a few years on her.

I have a potential co-parent stopping by next week to help put with some electrical work on my home. In exchange I'm building him a company website to help him get out of a job he hates and start his entrepreneurial adventures.

But yeah, you don't need to be worried at all either. Men have way longer than girls to get their shit in order. Our generation is babied for so long they don't remotely act like adults until their mid-20's. As long as you care for your body you can score one! Just don't give up even when things go bad. If you ever need a lift-me-up ask about some of my horrific dates when I was still a socially retarded moron. Lol. It gets easier.

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Men almost never approach me and I'm one of the good looking ones.

ngmi If you're 27, your chances are nearly blown. You're on the downward spiral. Freeze eggs immediately. Seriously, do not waste your time. You have a few short years.

using someone as a doner

This is heartbreaking.

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All good. Things haven't gone my way since I was a child.

I make sure it works out for me in the end.

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Women want a man that's capable.

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OP wants somebody high quality. Every woman out there wants a capable man that will pay for all the bills and fix everything. But that isn't high quality, it's just the norm.

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  1. Be attractive
  2. Don't be unattractive

If you aren't fit and have your style dialed in, I would start with that. You didn't mention it so make sure you are hitting the gym eating good food and a good weight.

Make sure you eliminate as many things about yourself that are unattractive as you can. Do you come across as confident to women? Are you needy or validation seeking?

There is a lot of garbage in the "redpill" manosphere space but one guy who doesn't have patience for bullshit is Rian Stone. That guy cuts the important actions from the bullshit so check him out for solid advice.

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Don't search out women. Don't stress " Omg I'm alone and will never find the one". Build a quality life for yourself , and be open to meeting someone , but don't feel like you HAVE to.

I would suggest attending a smaller independent church , Baptist , or maybe non denominational. You don't have to agree with all of their doctrine , but generally they're quality conservative people , may find some acceptable ladies there.

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Well first off are you a sperg with women in the first place? That has a lot to do with it. Do you have a wide range of hobbies and interests? Are you a well rounded individual? Are you actually truly happy by yourself?

I'm 30 and married with a baby on the way. She's five years younger than me. We've been at it for three years now.

I was on a Facebook group about philosophy and I added her. We didn't really talk for a year, she wished me happy birthday and I ignored it. Then she posted something that sounded kinda intelligent so I messaged her and picked her brain a little bit to see if she was reasonably intelligent.

One of the biggest things that speaks to me is music so I started sending her some of my favorites with no context and said "thoughts?" to see how she reacted. Very positive reception and she sent the same type of stuff back.

I would do these same tests on countless other women and they all failed miserably. I needed someone who would hear this random song and jump out of their seat the same way I did and go "this is the best shit I've heard in my fucking life. You listen to this stuff? You must have a beautiful soul".

Which is more or less exactly what happened. So at first she was an online girlfriend and then became much more.

I'm not sure there is any way to increase the likelihood or the odds of finding a good woman because I did everything I thought would work and absolutely nothing came of it.

I found her in a place I was not even looking, on a site I didn't care about, after years of looking pretty much everywhere else and having pretty much completely given up. She was a US citizen living in Costa Rica at the time, so it wasn't even in the same fucking state or country either.

But I had constructed myself in such a way that if and when the opportunity came, I was ready.

Oh and by the way she was a liberal when we started talking. So try not to attach stupid stipulations to the equation. It's not about all of that, you have to learn to identify the important underlying characteristics in a woman. After that it doesn't matter what she believes. You'll be able to make her understand pretty seamlessly.

That's why I always did that music litmus test, and other things like that. Because these are pieces of my soul. It doesn't change. Either someone understands my soul and loves it, or not. For example, you can give a Ferrari to a nigger in Africa and he'll just start screaming and chucking spears at it. But if you give it to the right person, they'll immediately recognize it's value. Love is the same way.

No idea if any of this helps because your question was fucking stupid in the first place. But all the other replies were garbage and I've had a lot of success in this regard so I felt compelled share.

Good luck. And here's a piece of my soul to you.

https://youtu.be/rquqd74nx0U

It sure is a stupid question someone my age shouldn't be asking, but I am sincerely working to change my life so it is worth the scrutiny. That had to be an awesome feeling meeting someone that aligns with you so much. I've had small glimpses of that with random girls in the past, and even if we aren't particularly interested in each other the attraction level jumps a lot because it must be an uncommon thing to experience.

Anyway, thanks for your response, I definitely see the value in doing that. Its an effective way to quickly determine if you guys are on the same wavelength with things.

I've had small glimpses of that with random girls in the past, and even if we aren't particularly interested in each other the attraction level jumps a lot because it must be an uncommon thing to experience.

Those are your clues that will lead you home. It's like a puzzle piece shaped hole in your heart, you might find a lot of puzzle pieces that are quite similar but don't quite fit correctly. Those women in your life give you clues what woman you should be looking for, and can often be surprising or not what you expected.

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