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Assume there is a universal goal that is better sought than any known to human. The duty to this universal good would be more important than a person's duty to himself or his species or his planet. By what means should a human try to learn what this universal good is?

edit: just hashing things out here:

By the laws of nature one should take whatever action gives the highest chance to pass on one's genes. This leads to a direct ethical duty to one's species. So to take that one step further one has a duty to uphold the stability of the universe, right? But that's shortsighted too: it assumes that replicating one's genes actually is the ethically correct thing to do. So a search for transcendent ethics may start at a higher* level than life. It may involve duties beyond one's own universe.

But how can an entity have a duty beyond what that entity is able to influence? That's a red herring. Whatever my actual ethical duty it's best to understand that duty from the highest* possible perspective. Even if I have no higher duty than is in regard to those things I can influence, knowing what that duty is requires a higher* level of understanding.

*as in high level vs low level programming, where assembly is low level code and java is high level code

Assume there is a universal goal that is better sought than any known to human. The duty to this universal good would be more important than a person's duty to himself or his species or his planet. By what means should a human try to learn what this universal good is? edit: just hashing things out here: By the laws of nature one should take whatever action gives the highest chance to pass on one's genes. This leads to a direct ethical duty to one's species. So to take that one step further one has a duty to uphold the stability of the universe, right? But that's shortsighted too: it assumes that replicating one's genes actually is the ethically correct thing to do. So a search for transcendent ethics may start at a higher* level than life. It may involve duties beyond one's own universe. But how can an entity have a duty beyond what that entity is able to influence? That's a red herring. Whatever my actual ethical duty it's best to understand that duty from the highest* possible perspective. Even if I have no higher duty than is in regard to those things I can influence, knowing what that duty is requires a higher* level of understanding. *as in high level vs low level programming, where assembly is low level code and java is high level code

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Well, I'd argue about the trite part. I'll agree to the rest.

All the common religions are where people usually find transcendence and where real and physical proofe i.e. miracles are found. Miracles that you can search and eye witnesses you can talk to and/or at least read their testimonies.

So what you said in your statement of, "Common religions aside..." you were saying, apart from where most people find transcendence, where can I get transcendence?

Go where most people go.

If you want absolute proof that you are dealing with the divine, the Catholic church has many astounding and bewildering miracles to consider, well researched and documented. Also many saints that you can read about that have reached transcendence.

I've been down many roads my friend and I have gotten some answers from other places only to fi d them all here in the Catholic church.

Yes, and many scary things as well.

You are right, everybody makes their claims. If you're really searching for truth no matter what it costs you, then you'll be able to tell which ones are full of it and which ones are telling the truth.

Good luck.

P.S. I wasn't trite, asshole maybe, but never trite.