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They have been suffering ever since the 2008 financial crisis.

They have stuffed the dealerships full of inventory that they didn't want or need. Now they have massive lots full of vehicles they say don't have chips.

But that would normally result in the dealerships having depleted inventory. Are we able to see this shortage or are the dealers lots still packed full of cars and trucks?

What are you guys seeing at your local dealerships? Full or empty?!

It seems like the price of used cars is extremely high right now. Like people are buying used rather than new.

This looks like a coverup of the collapse of their sales imho. What say you guys?

They have been suffering ever since the 2008 financial crisis. They have stuffed the dealerships full of inventory that they didn't want or need. Now they have massive lots full of vehicles they say don't have chips. But that would normally result in the dealerships having depleted inventory. Are we able to see this shortage or are the dealers lots still packed full of cars and trucks? What are you guys seeing at your local dealerships? Full or empty?! It seems like the price of used cars is extremely high right now. Like people are buying used rather than new. This looks like a coverup of the collapse of their sales imho. What say you guys?

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Maybe they could just make a regular engine instead of an Internal Combustion Computer.

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For real. Don’t add a computer to a thing that runs without a computer.

Just like they shouldn’t have added internet to that gas pipeline that got hacked.

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The pipeline wasn't hacked via internet.

Some dumb fuck opened an email file and executed it.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Email comes from the Internet. Even if you use an internal server. Opening email, and the like, on a computer that directly or indirectly controls your pipeline is the problem.

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For real. I own a 77 f150 with the 300 ci and i for the life of me can't figure why a company won't make something so simple anymore. The only answer is they want you to let the stealership work on it because you dont know how. Gone are the days of 5 min tune ups and easy access maintenance. All so some stupid faggot can ride around in a minivan called a truck with more technology than a god damned space shuttle. Uggh just thinking about this makes me fucking angry. I hate todays people. Too soft to drive a fucking real vehicle and too incompetent to drive a manual because they refuse to stop fucking texting while they drive. Shit shit shit the American public has been stupified, pussified, and totally cucked. This concludes my rant.

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Between government mandated fuel efficiency and safety standards, car manufacturers can't legally sell new cars without thousands of dollars worth of computers inside.

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Again, our people became eco friendly homos that support this garbage enough it became law without repercussions to the government. I should be alowed to drive a 2 stroke off the lot new if I wanted. I like the good old days where a metal dashboard would kill people that didn't pay attention to their driving.

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Pretty sure we’ve talked about this topic beforehand you and I. The tech side of things requiring expensive scan tools is a burden for the customer as well as the independent repair facility. Chrysler/fiat are about the worse so far needing granted access to communicate with modules and what not. Really the mid ougts to early teens had the best balance of tech and quality.

That ole straight 6 can pull a house down, but a newer v6 truck like an eco boost can do that as well as pull it down the highway.

Yes there is a problem on needing equipment to do diagnostics and repairs. The tools have changed honestly slower than the vehicles. Regardless a once a year tune up is a thing of the past. Fuel filters are not changed every six months because there are none. No worn points in a distributor, no needing for adjusting inadequate drum brakes. Yes new cars have a lot of tech ,modules that rely on each other, but for the most part 100k is the maintenance point as apposed to daily driver cars being a wash and repeat every 80k or so

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No doubt new tech has its pros, but I'd bet your spending more on repairs in the long run. If my 300 ever wears out (not likely) there are millions in junkyards for a couple hundred dollars. Just wait till that ecoboost throws its timing chain and you get to pay a dealer 7 grand because twin turbo direct inject race car tech is not a back yard fix. I will say they make good power but i just feel like it'll cost more replacing expensive parts infrequently than cheap parts occasionally. Plus old stuff sure is more fun.

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I hate todays people. Too soft to drive a fucking real vehicle and too incompetent to drive a manual

That's right. If your thumbs aren't broken, you're not a real driver. Ah, how well I remember the mind-blasting pain of hitting the curb while driving a car with manual steering. Those were the days. It made a man of me, and did my no harm -- except now I can't text.

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And drum brakes make you drive slower too

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It's truly absurd that we can't buy a basic and rugged vehicle anymore.

They are all built to bleed you dry as they age now.

What happened to the right to repair campaign?

This all amounts to us not having real ownership of anything we buy. We are really just renting technology that has a built in expiry date/flaw.

And that is disguised under the pretext of it being new technology when it's really inferior parts and engineering.

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Yep. That old 300 6 could go half a million miles, albeit slowly. Im still waiting on fords ecoboost to do it without a major overhall. I'd love a cost comparison on maintenance.

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That would mess with their business model of planned obsolescence. The mechanical parts don't last very long, now, either, so not having a computer failing first would highlight that fact.

Has a modern competitor tried this idea?

And get the DeLorean treatment from the FBI? He turned down an illegal deal they tried to Entrap him with in a "sting operation," and still got raked over the legal coals until his car company was no more.

If you're not connected already, starting a new car manufacturing company in the USA is suicide. Literal suicide. The Big Three do not allow any serious competition to develop.

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Thank you for the explanation. It's sad how many industries are locked down like this.

When the AMA or Big Three can buy themselves out of antitrust law, you know you've been (((subverted))).

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You are completely wrong. We have no vehicles to sell.

Demand is sky high. We have less than 100 new vehicles in stock for a dealership that usually sells 500 new per month. We are turning away any customer that won't pay at least 5 grand over sticker for what we have left.

I think it's hilarious bc for years customers have had the upper hand but now we get to pick and choose our customers. All the street shitter pricks that haggle us to death can kick rocks. Fuck I love kicking Indians out.

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What are you talking about demand is sky high? Maybe for used vehicles, but my friend got a brand new Toyota several months back and they were practically begging him to buy it. Many car places had no payments for 1 year. Used cars on the other hand...

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A few months back, 1 customer? That's your sample size? Wtf are you talking about?

From my post do you think you may be able to discern that I may know more about this than you? 5k over sticker for everything right now. As in now. Not a few months ago. Fucking now you dumbass.

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I made an account specifically for this. What the fuck are you talking about? Five new vehicles have sold in May and I'm sitting on 350 Cross Treks on the front range in Colorado all 2021's.

You sound like a dramatic cunt.

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I'm not seeing it where I live. I went to a car lot recently and the place as empty - no customers. Maybe it varies region to region. Then again, a shit ton of energy workers have lost their rig and mining jobs in my area. Not a very booming economy anymore.

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I go between two locals, the small town ain't selling shit, big locals 5k over.

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Key words several months back

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I spent a month and a half looking at dealerships in 3 states for the truck i wanted. I wasnt being picky. Nobody had shit. I was begging motherfuckers to find a truck for me

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Lotta niggers out there driving nice challengers and chargers.

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Mopar give them stupid loans. Don't think for a second they are anywhere close to treading water on those loans.

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I figured as much. It just irks me sometimes seeing tyreese daily driving around in an srt8 while living in a shitty apartment or house and not garage kept.

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They are complete lay downs. Always make the most money off them bc they do zero research and do whatever you tell them to do.

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What are laydowns?--old nigger

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So you're price gouging to maximise profit ??? ....

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YES! Cars are priced to market, period. We can sell a car for whatever someone will purchase it for. There are no set retail prices or price controls since vehicles are not considered essential items. So go fuck yourself and pay or GTFO.

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Why you sound upset ??. Your supplying a commodity item to whatever the purchaser is willing to pay, i'm just calling it how i see it - if that upsets you, maybe you're the one that should be fcking himself, lol ....

Indians are cheap a.f. LOL. Before some Indian dude ate at my uncle's restaurant, and because he had cash wanted the tax taken off. He got angry when he didn't get that. So, no tip, and remove the tax? No thanks. But not all Indians are like that! Some are generous. Some...

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What happens to the customers who need repairs and can't get parts? Loaners?

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The Toyota dealership near me, which is usually stuffed, is basically empty.

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Where I am, the pickup trucks are spread out to keep the lot looking full.

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Empty lots. Even a good share of the used car lots are low inventory ‘round here. I get offers on my vehicles all the time now and they’re nothing special at all.

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We have a mile stretch of auto dealerships here. All the lots are less than half full.

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"Shortages" is pretty much a coverup for this controlled demolition of Global Currency Reset.

The US Dollar isn't worth shit now because it's no longer backed by Petrol trade dominance and they are resetting the global economy for the IMF to take over all the central banks.

Inflation is inevitable, and that's why prices are going up. Notice it's prices of essential items first because that's basically commodities rising. All the tradable commodities are rigged by the fake COMEX market.

Buy as much necessary items as you can. Tools, lumber, materials, things people need to survive, etc.

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100% but it's mostly to cover for inflation! they cant have 4.2% y.o.y inflation w/o some good headlines to unscare the cattle.

think about it, if we had 4.2% inflation w/o some good headies, how would the masses handle it?

Same w/ lumber

the shortages are to cover for inflation

there are no real shortages. The chips were forced to be behind schedule due to unnecessary lockdown laws. The lumber is already cut waiting in stacks to be used.

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Yes. I think we are just seeing the pre shocks of hyperinflation!

This somehow smells of a false narrative. And the timing is suspicious. With all the shit going on why now do we have a chip shortage? We have been flooded with chips for forty years now. Why can't we make enough right at this point in time?!

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labor shortage causing hiccups in supply chain. The shortage is real, but it was forced intentionally

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All the labor is in asia, tons of bugs to work over there.

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Bigger question are investors inflating inflating housing market and its really about to collapse 2008 style? Seller here in Texas where market is really strong and shit ain't selling

Big banks were buying up single family homes as well. Even zillow went into that business too I believe.

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I provide services for a dealership and have spent significant time discussing this issue with the folks there. They do, indeed, have a shortage. They are not giving any deals on cars and are trying to squeeze as much profit as they can from every sale because of limited inventory. They are in the shit, and losing tons of money, but the govt bailout gave them a few million to keep going. There are lots of thousands of cars that are just about complete but are sitting in lots waiting for chips.

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No. The used car market is up significantly and you missed out on investing in Carvana. Car sales are up overall.

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