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Hi guys, I've been diagnosed with ADHD as a child at one point later in life believed all the info about our brains being broken, medication is a must, etc.

Since then, I think what is going on is much deeper and doesn't even involve the brain so much as the "spirit" and while there exist many commonalities about ADHD, I don't believe it exists in the way (((science))) believes us to.

I've opted to meditate, eat well, etc. But some tendencies aren't fully absolved.

Does anyone have a diet/routines or supplements they have taken to function at their prime?

I take the odd adderrall if things require a ton of sustained effort but I hate they way they make me feel.

Ady advice goats?

Hi guys, I've been diagnosed with ADHD as a child at one point later in life believed all the info about our brains being broken, medication is a must, etc. Since then, I think what is going on is much deeper and doesn't even involve the brain so much as the "spirit" and while there exist many commonalities about ADHD, I don't believe it exists in the way (((science))) believes us to. I've opted to meditate, eat well, etc. But some tendencies aren't fully absolved. Does anyone have a diet/routines or supplements they have taken to function at their prime? I take the odd adderrall if things require a ton of sustained effort but I hate they way they make me feel. Ady advice goats?

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[–] 9 pts

There is a biological basis for true ADHD but it is tragically and vastly misdiagnosed.

If you didn't feel like studying bullshit subjects and didn't love busy work, it doesn't mean you're ADHD, it simply means you don't give a shit about what your child's mind, at face value, saw as meaningless tasks.

Oh... you're not into meaningless tasks? Let's call you deficient and medicate you into happy slavery.

That's basically what is happening.

I've put my foot in my mouth before, because there are actual cases, just be aware most aren't.

For this reason, a lot of people benefit from assessing the value, importance and meaning of the tasks they are doing.

Recognize WHY you are doing something.

Kids don't do homework because they have a motivation, not a concentration problem.

So, ask yourself, when you are hitting a wall, if you are experiencing trouble concentrating or if you are experiencing a bout of idgaf.

Also, emotional avoidance is pretty common. Assessing if there is an emotional issue surrounding certain tasks is important, as well. Usually, this is finances or cleaning, for people. To help, prioritize all life problems and all tasks according to financial value. Bad cleaners usually just don't know how to clean and move a mess around infinitely without ever actually getting anything clean. This isn't ADHD.

To be a better cleaner, there are a few rules. 1. Everything needs a home. Each item that is out, needs a place where it can be put away. 2. Nothing on the floors, nothing on counter tops. 3. If you haven't used it in a year, get rid of it. 4. Clean in short 15 or 30 minute blocks. Making everything spotless is nice, but that's not how your house STAYS clean.

After a bit of introspection, if you've decided you're actually having trouble concentrating and it's not that other stuff, assessing your sleep situation is the first place to start.

In general, you're staying up too late and most people ruin their good sleep with screens intheir bedrooms and substance abuse. No devices in the bedroom. If you're smoking, drinking, sniffing... whatever... do it in the morning so that it doesn't interfere with your REM. Preferably quit. Caffeine, too.

Next are your hunger hormones which nature has specifically designed to break your concentration to remind you to get food. A small portion of oatmeal and an omelet for breakfast is really the best way that I've found to interrupt that hunger hormone cycle. No two people are alike, though. Basically, you're looking for a way to feel full without eating that much.

The next is interpersonal conflict. Dropping high conflict people from your life is about the best possible maneuver, in life, as nothing will lend itself to your productivity more.

After that, when it comes to doing your stubborn task, making baby step outlines and focusing on step one at a time, without worrying about the big picture, is the best approach.

This also allows you to hit a project in short 15 to 30 minute blocks. This also allows you to delegate pieces more easily to other people.

If you still need a chemical enhancement, avoid Adderall and ask for dexedrine. Its what they give fighter pilots. You'll find that quite a few historical figures were on amphetamines regularly. If you knew where to get chemically pure cocaine... very small doses would work, too. I don't know that it is actually available, though, in this day and age. I'm pretty sure it's all adulterated.

[–] 2 pts

I live with a hoarder. He's been cleaning his garage for five years and it only gets worse as he stuffs it with more useless random junk. His room is reduced to narrow paths. The guest bathroom was the same till I tossed stuff out so I could use it. Now he's taken to storing stuff in the hallways as he can't get in the two spare bedrooms. I've. Found stored garbage in those rooms.

Your advice will help me keep up with this chaos.

[–] 2 pts

Hoarders are a combination of problems, but the primary issue is that they mentally assign way too much value to their junk.

Help them assess the value realistically. First, there is the value of the item, but then there is the rent it costs to keep that item. Say you have 1,000 Sq ft and you pay $1,000 per month for it. If 500 Sq ft is covered in junk, then you are paying $500 per month to store it.

First, calculate how much you are paying to store junk. Then, pick out some of the worst eyesores and point out how much per month and per year it costs to keep it around.

The aforementioned rules are perfect for hoarders.

Also, hire a cleaning lady when they're gone. While the cleaning lady is there, throw out tons of useless shit and blame it on her.

A hoarder can't clean without help. You have to break down a few mental barriers first, while also training them what actually constitutes as "clean."

When they are ready for the talk, literally explain to them that they have a delusion that they are cleaning, but they have to recognize its been a few years and nothing is clean... just moved around.

[–] 2 pts

"Hoarders are a combination of problems, but the primary issue is that they mentally assign way too much value to their junk."

Totally it.

[–] 1 pt (edited )

"Also, hire a cleaning lady when they're gone. While the cleaning lady is there, throw out tons of useless shit and blame it on her."

We recently stripped the old shingles and repaired damaged or rotted wood. While my friend mostly napped in his bedroom, watching TV and only got involved when I needed him for signing off on paperwork I used the trash trailer to get run of stuff. The garage attic needed clearing also because the weight of junk has caused the ridge to sag and we need to repair that. One rafter actually split.

Notable things I tossed, five decent sets of snow skis with some ski boots. He doesn't ski as he is crippled years of dusty Christmas decoration his mother stored and just random broken stuff. Couple items I saved: Two life magazine from JFK inauguration and news clippings from the event. He told me I can have it. What I set aside and didn't tell him about are some we two vintage bottles from Europe. I'm guessing huge fancy whisky bottles his stepfather stored away. He ignores stuff I save in plain sight as junk. His step dad brought back a jap flag made of sik that looks like it was battle captured. I saved that and told him of it but he's not impressed. During this process I found his old yearbooks from school with records and saved them in a box. A few years back I helped him change out the deadbolts and knobs on his front door. He put the old hardware in a box on a steel cabinet. Needing a place to stash the school records and yearbooks I glanced inside the other box, saw old hardware that's been sitting there four years and traded boxes out. When he found the empty box in the recycle pile of boxes I was cutting down for the blue bin he was livid. He starts raging on and on about the loss and claims it was worth forty dollars. I point out he doesn't even have keys to the discarded door hardware and he then claims he does. I recount all the important repair work I've done while never asking for a dime. "Do you need a dead bolt some where? I'll buy new stuff. "

Nothing calms him down. Next day while paying the contractor he's still pissed off at me. The contractor tells him all the money I've saved him, reminds him how I fired the first contractor and am still covering that issue and having them investigated. The contractor was able to leave the jobsite every day while leaving his crew under my supervision. They bend a nail, I order it pulled back and done right. Woe to the guy who scuffed the new shingles. Off the job. Split repair wood? Replace it and get lectured on proper techniques. I had critical work done no one even noticed. Entry way awning was literally falling off the building and doing the splits because it ha no collar tie. Solution? Apply steel straps over ridge, jack it back up and pull rafters back together with cargo straps. Then add collar ties. Contractor insisted on using a dozen nails poorly done by his workers with that God cursed nail gun they are addicted to. I had him go get three half inch bolts which actually pulled the beams tight. Contractor also recounted how it was I who found a gas leak in the attic and pressured him to help me redo the line to his dryer in the garage. Leak was right by the vent to the kitchen stove that vented directly into the attic near the leaking joint.

This house had a fire years ago in the same spot. Obvious signs off past repairs and scorched wood.

after contractor laid this all out to him and told him how I look out for his real interests my homeowner frien came out to apologize.

[–] 1 pt

I am saving your post on my phone because I "have" combined type ADD and ADHD and taking Adderall made me feel like strung out shit. I took myself off and ended a few extremely toxic associations with people and I'm doing much better.
I have very loud thoughts , vy that I mean my internal thoughts and voice are louder to me than outside voices because I think all the time. I don't think it's a problem but some one has to be practically in my face to break me out of my thoughts lol. Not all the time , just more often than not. Idk what that would be called. But in essence, I really appreciate your comment and it makes the most sense.

vy that I mean my internal thoughts and voice are louder to me than outside voices because I think all the time. I don't think it's a problem but some one has to be practically in my face to break me out of my thoughts lol.

I used to be just like that. It subsided once I could make my own life choices and especially when started to take responsibility for my choices and my environment.

I see it like that: If you are stuck in a grocery line, it's normal for your mind to drift away. If you have a toxic family or feel stuck in a place (like a school where you don't learn anything or a job where you only pretend to work) your entire life feels like waiting in a grocery line. Forever.

It's a psychological defense mechanism against boredom and abuse. It's healthy in a grocery line and other environments where you have no control. In adulthood however it's not healthy if you constantly think about things you could've said or always dream of success while your life goes nowhere.

[–] 0 pt

Such a good analogy! Thank you. You are absolutely right on!

[–] 3 pts

Get off Adderall! Try caffeine and physical fitness to burn energy. Hiking with vertical elevation. But... you've probably already moved on with this conversation lol. Do what interests you and keep you focused. I'm guessing you have 100 hobbies and are creative. Use this to your advantage.

[–] 2 pts

Yes, exactly. I do all of this, but I still miss that super focus of reading a whole book in a day or the feeling of just being able to literally learn anything I want but I can't deal with how it makes me feel like a robot (the medication) and the "come down" effects.

Through meditation, cutting out weed, exercise, yoga, etc. I'm functioning very well, but even with this, sitting down and absorbing more complex tasks is still difficult.

I will increase the intensity of the workouts and meditation.

Now, if meditation is exercise for the mind, does reading do the same? By reading more can you improve your general intelligence and intention span even if what you're reading isn't related?

[–] 2 pts

Reading is important, but... maybe you're not reading what you "should" be. No different than here, I scan and only read what interests me, I sometimes enjoy comments prior to what was posted, if comments seem worthwhile or entertaining I will read article.

No one way will be a correction of behavior as this is usually a habit.

Do what satisfies you. Most medicated people are drugged to be easier on everyone else in teachers, parents etc. I find it a impossible task to learn something I could careless about, I don't enjoy wasting my time.

You be you! 
[–] 1 pt

When you want to run a marathon, you dont just stand up and practice run the whole thing right off the bat. You practice day by day to increase your stamina and length of your run.

Media and our 24/7 culture has literally been training your brain not to focus well; did you hear that notification ping? Look at it, oh by the way here's some music from an ad to get stuck in your head, is that work calling asking me to solve a quick problem off hours? The list goes on.

Treat a book like a marathon. Start timing your reading/focus. Deliberately practice, with minimal distractions or stimulation from your surroundings. (Turn phone off for a few mins, etc). Start with 1 minute. If your mind drifts, gently bring it back. Keep doing this until you have stayed focused for the whole minute, then increase time. Re-train those neural pathways just like you would your body. The brain is plastic. If you get super frustrated, walk away and try again the next day. You got this :)

[–] 0 pt

That's a great idea, I just wish I knew exactly how the brain functions. In the sense that, you exercise the body, the effects are evident but with your mind it isn't so simple.

Outside of improving attention span while reading and the obvious knowledge one gets. What are the cognitive benefits of reading?

For example, maybe it improves memory.

Also, any way you know to "gauge" if your mind is getting stronger?

Physical exercise vs mental is a little nicer in that regard as it's easier to quantify/be aware of your progress.

[–] 1 pt

Try Archipelag GULAG. I read through in two days 'cause I could not put it down.

[–] 0 pt

You mean 'Gulag Archipelago', nigger?

[–] 1 pt (edited )

As an ADHD guy as well, I find that writing lists of daily/weekly goals helps organize my mind around what I need to do and ensures I won't forget shit as I do things throughout the day. Also setting up and following a routine can help structure your time. Make sure to have some time off as well. You need unstructured "play" time.

sitting down and absorbing more complex tasks is still difficult.

That's something everyone has to deal with, men more so than women. Take breaks during study time. Have some good classical music on. Set a goal. You don't have to do nothing during the breaks either, spend that time doing something physical though. Do the dishes, run the vacuum, take out the trash, chase the dog around.

If you need to and can afford to do so, set aside and area/room for study only. No playing, no fucking around, no toys. Visually cut the area off if it isn't a room by itself. The room can be decorated but don't make the decorations distracting. When you can't study, after putting in a good effort get out of the area and find something else to do. All this to train your brain into expecting to study once you enter the area.

And do all the usual stuff, eat right(1), work out(2), get outside for any reason(3), sleep right(4), don't do drugs, etc.

  1. White? Meat/fat, veggies, dairy, low carbs/sugar, real food stay away from processed/boxed shit with added HFCS and other adulterants. Save a day a week for something you like though, like a pizza night or something. Learn to cook. This saves time/money and ensures you get high quality food.

  2. 45min/day minimum, get your weights and cardio in on alternating days if you want. It doesn't take much, especially if you are already watching what you eat.

  3. Walk the dog, mow the lawn, trim the tree/bush, just walk around. The point is to spend time in the sun and around plants/animals if at all possible. This is a studied phenomenon (back when studies were real) that I have personally done a paper on and you will see improvements if you don't already get outside.

  4. Assuming no drugs/alc and that you are eating/exercising right, set a sleep schedule and stick to it. Don't consume caffeine at least 6 hours before bed time, don't consume food 4 hours ahead of bed time. If possible keep your sleeping room to sleeping only. Nothing distracting, nothing "busy" in it at all. Keep your phone outside the room, buy a physical alarm clock. And use the room to sleep. This sets your brain up to expect to fall asleep as soon as you enter the room. Try not to sleep in too much, and do not take naps during the day, this fucks with your circadian rhythm.

[–] 1 pt

Thanks for the reply, I agree with everything you've said. My next purchase is going to be black out blinds.

[–] 0 pt

Those feelings you miss aren’t the feelings of a normal functioning human. They’re the feelings of being on drugs.

Normal humans feel uncomfortable and tired and unfocused part of the time, it’s part of the human condition, and it’s why it’s so easy to diagnose just about anyone with some kind of disorder.

[–] 0 pt

Dude we are not designed to read an entire book in a day. I look at people like that the Asians that studied 6 to 8 hours a day as having problems...

What helps is have a list of what needs to get done or what you want to get done. From most important to least. Then just knock stuff off the list if one thing gets boring do something else. But the list will get done every know and then force your self to do the top of the list the important stuff.

[–] 1 pt

A cup of coffee does wonders for my kid. Plus about an hour long walk per day.

[–] 2 pts

You need to practice deep thought. It's a skill.

Most people I know can't get "in the zone" and focus on one thing intensely. This is a place where you are focused and at your best. You're supposed to start by practicing getting in that place and focusing on ONE THING for 10-20 minutes at a time before rewarding yourself with a break. As you go, you want to train to be able to do it for a few hours if needed.

Don't have drugs get you in that zone, learn to manually flick it on and off yourself. It takes work and effort, but totally worth it. You're more productive, time flies by fast when you work in the zone, and you feel more fulfilled.

[–] 0 pt

Having problems you haven't worked out and addictions to distract make it hard to focus on things. Get the problems worked out and face addictions. Trying to focus and getting to the bottom of what distracts you is a way to figure out these things.

Also if you can't focus on something, maybe it's not something worth focusing on.

And yeah, drugs of any kind shouldn't be habitual.

[–] 0 pt

A big part of it is learning to engage yourself in things you aren't interested in.

Kids are supposed to be taught these skills while growing up (homework, chores, hobbies, etc). However, most just sit around playing videogames and social media so they struggle to pay attention to anything for more than 6 seconds at a time.

[–] 1 pt

Eliminate food colorings, glutamates, synthetic foods. Look up research from doctors treating children with chelAtion therapy to remove metals like aluminum and having spectacular success in treating adhd and autism.

[–] 1 pt

Active hobbies. Instead of trying to sit and read a book all day, try using kinesthetic learning to absorb knowledge. This means you try it instead of read about it. Examples are mechanical repairs, gardening, art like painting or sculpting, carpentry or woodworking, blacksmithing, etc. Things that will allow you to meditate on the task with motion and touch rather than just your mind.

[–] 1 pt

It may be your lucky day, because I've been testing out a diet for ADHD for the past two months and it's been effective.

Some BG: Although ADHD and other Neuroatypical dispositions (such as autism) are mainly genetic, the most up to date research, suggests the severity may be environmentally influenced.

Specifically, something in the environment, typically heavy metals, causes mitochondrial disfunction.

ADHD is one of the potential outcomes for mitochondrial dysfunction, other people may instead suffer from autism, severe depression, anxiety, chronic fatigue or a variety of other disorders, depending on their particular genetics.

DIET: The above in mind, the goal is to repair your mitochondria and improve function. For this you may need to up the amount of redmeat you eat, especially beef, ideally muscle cuts. This is the most important thing. Other than that, eating more leafy greens and strawberries are good. Milk, cheese, mushrooms, veg, fruit etc.

Ultimately you're looking to up your intake of these nutrients: B5, B7, B9, B12, L-Creatine, Alpha Lioic Acid, L-Arginine, Selenium, L-carnitine, Coenzyme Q10, vit C, vit E, Vit B1, vit B2, vit B3

Getting nutrition direct from food is best, but if not possible, supplement where necessary.

It may take at least 28 days to start noticing effects.

CAUSE: the second thing is to identify the environmental aspect in creasing the severity of your symptoms. Heavy metals are the most common because we are exposed to so much.

Some natural ways to rid your body of heavy metals is generous amounts of cilantro/coriander leaves, a type of algae called Chlorella and less effective but not going to hurt is garlic.

(note:I haven't tried Chlorella, but it combined with cilantro/coriander leafs are supposed to be most effective.)

AFTER: Once the severity of your condition has decreased to milder levels, you should be able to control with excersise and caffeine. (Some omega 3 from fish wouldn't hurt either.)

TL;DR: Redmeat, cilantro, and coffee.

Best of luck!

[–] 1 pt (edited )

I hate to be that guy, but have you tried smokng weed? Perhaps try CBD oil if that's not your thing. But first... diet is super imortant, cut out any and all sugar and don't ever think abou consuming ever again. Shit is poison. Try fasting and an elimination diet like Keto or carnivore, as you cleanse your system, slowly add things back in and notice their effect on your mind and spirit. Depending on your genetic makeup, you''l need to figure out a truly healthy diet for yourself. Everyone is different too, so you have to experiment and pay attention to what helps you and what doesn't. Besides that, excercise, excercise, excercise. Your mind is too active because you have excess energy. You need to find things that connect with your spirit to expend that energy, try picking up meditative hobbies like playing the guitar, hiking, and anything that grounds you back in reality. Excessive internet and device addiction is a factor for a lot of people as well. Get off the adderal, it's just nicely packaged meth.

[–] 1 pt

Mushrooms or dmt mircodosing sure key winner

[–] 0 pt

Not LSD? I haven't heard of microdosing DMT before. Can you elaborate?

[–] 0 pt

Sure make Aya 1 gram doses into a consumable amount say 100 ml making each ml a good starter dose. Maybe even do 200 ml and take 1 ml hits. Take a week off for starting to get a good feel for the doses. Start routine with dosing Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

[–] 1 pt (edited )

Amino acids tyrosine and L-phenylalanine may help.

Read about "nootropics" (substances that truly increase intelligence) but much recent stuff on reddit on the subject doesn't seem so useful. Read Dean and Morganthaler "Smart Drugs" books written in the 90. Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC) is, to my knowledge, the best substances, but there are many.

Also, the Pearson and Shaw "Life Extension" books mention this topic.

[–] 1 pt

I have noticed a common personality trait with people that have the same issues as yourself that I know personally, they are very focused inwards on themselves. Possibly their inward focus uses up all their energy for having any outward focus, like completing a more involved task. You're brain is definitely not broken and I agree it's more of your "spirit" When you meditate try focusing on the world outside of you. Maybe I'm way off but my intention is to help you. Remember their is more to life than what we are taught at school. We as humans inherently want to answer 3 questions: Where did we come from?, Why are we here? Where are we going? Our age of making ourselves comfortable has made our conscious self forget this yet it is still part of our subconsciousness which can give people an anxiety that they do not know where it's coming from. Good luck and I wish you the best.

[–] 1 pt

Have your tried an absolutely no carb diet? Difficult in todaysworld since everything they want to feed us is carbs so start from the bottom up. Eat only eggs and meat. No fruit, rice, potatoes, beans, corn, bread etc. If your brain doesn't have as much sugar it might rebalance to normal. Just a guess. Not a doctor.

[–] 0 pt

I have not but willing to do so. No fruit?

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