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arguments for or against?

arguments for or against?

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Sure, there are several religious groups that adhere to a faith based on Jesus being the Christ.

There is a spiritual reality based in Jesus (Yah'shua if you prefer Hebrew) being the Son of God and Messiah (Christ in Greek). The Christian religious groups interact with this reality in minor degrees. Some of them more so than others and some of them pretty much not at all (Catholics for example).

The practical, behavioral stuff in the Bible is pretty straightforward. When it says not to steal, it means don't take stuff that isn't yours. When you move into the realm of abstract, conceptual things and things pertaining to the afterlife, this is where things were made into a huge disaster of errors. Ultimately, all of this is interpreted and rooted in Greek philosophical and pagan thought that made its way into Rome and ultimately all of Europe. According to the Christian and even Jewish view, God first made contact and got established with people in the near east. who spoke Hebrew. There were many teachings and writings, but only a few ended up becoming scripture. These scriptures had an official Greek translation in the 3rd century B.C.

With an official Greek version of scriptures mostly from Hebrew, this established Hebrew-to-Greek translation standards. So for example the Hebrew word sheol (used as a place dead people go) was paired up with the Greek word hades (used as a place dead people go). Many foolish people have felt compelled to dig up everything related to such a Greek word instead of acknowledging that it is simply a counterpart for sheol. The Hebrew-speaking people of the near east did not believe in Greek mythology and probably had no exposure to Greek philosophy either. You can infer a little based on why they chose this Greek word instead of that, but ultimately, to figure out what Hebrew-speakers were talking about, you need to investigate Hebrew terms and thought and culture. Even if such a thing is later expressed in Greek, it is not enough to study the Greek. The history and foundation are all in Hebrew, and this goes back over 1000 years.

Ultimately, out of the Greek background a heaven and hell paradigm was established with an overemphasis on the afterlife. The Catholic church decided to include purgatory and this made the belief palatable. The protestants rejected Catholic practices and authority, but did not do a good job of exiting the philosophies and theology of the Catholic church. So Bible-reading protestants did not find any apparent purgatory, so they discarded it. This resulted in the messed up theology where it's all about heaven and hell, and most people are going to hell for an eternity. This results in a version of God where he is an insane torture monster that is going to (according to typical Christian perspectives) condemn most people to an eternity in hell based on what they did in a finite lifetime. If you get into scripture, you will see people as being depicted as spiritually deaf, blind, and dumb and ultimately only God can save them from this condition by means of enabling them to see and receive Christ, something they can't do on their own. Although, God is going to hold them responsible for failing to receive Christ, though and condemn them to an eternity of burning.

According to a typical Christian, this life determines where you spend eternity. According to king Solomon, life is vanity. I only recently realized how those two things are not consistent with each other. David and the psalmists felt compelled to sing songs that frequently mention God saving them from trouble in this life. They do not sing about going to a wonderful place for an eternity and don't feel compelled to sing about how bad people are going to burn for an eternity either. In fact the Hebrew language doesn't even have a word for eternal or eternity. According to a certain rabbi, to communicate that you would have to say "without end." Of course there are words being translated into forever and eternal and all that should not be.

I believe this is enough for now.