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Would we still have the Sistine Chapel, the Notre Dame? Would Michelangelo still be as famous? A lot of classical music was created by composers that were inspired by their Christian faith, would classical music still sound the same?

Not a religious debate.

I was just listening to St Matthews Passion by Bach and it made me think of how many things I appreciate about our culture that are inspired by Christianity. How different would our culture be if the Church wasn't such a major patron of arts?

Would we still have the Sistine Chapel, the Notre Dame? Would Michelangelo still be as famous? A lot of classical music was created by composers that were inspired by their Christian faith, would classical music still sound the same? Not a religious debate. I was just listening to St Matthews Passion by Bach and it made me think of how many things I appreciate about our culture that are inspired by Christianity. How different would our culture be if the Church wasn't such a major patron of arts?

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Christianity build Western culture from the ground up.

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Pretty much all of it. Morals, laws, all of society.

Just think what a contemporary Aztec society would look like. Not pretty.

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all western cultures and most of the east regardless of the religious beliefs of the people within them were built on christian values. THIS IS WHY IT IS ONLY WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONS BEING ANNIHILATED. THESE PEOPLE ARENT SCARED OF MUSLIMS BUDDHISTS ATHEISTS JEWS BAHAI OR ANYONE ELSE. Theyre trying to wipe us out because it is OUR values that stop them getting what they want but also why they are so successful. Name me a white nation that thinks child sacrifice or pederasty is ok and should be legal or supported. Without those things being accepted as OK these Luciferians cant ever win. Wipe out Christians you wipe out that which stops the only thing with the power to stop them.

almost all of those nations can be traced back to european pagan converts, Vikings became Rus became Russia, Also became Normans became Sicillians English and Americans, Goths (the barbarians of Rome) became Ostrogoths became Spaniards (Portugese being a fusion of Goth and Celt) Visigoths became Franks became French and Germans. Without Vikings in particular you dont get the most successful nations that still stand.

latin and cyrillic script being indicative of whether they took their lead from Rome or Constantinople after the Roman Empire split. Germans claimed to be the true inheritors of Rome hence 'Holy Roman Empire' being German while Constantinople was literally still the Roman Empire for a good 4-500 years after that until the Ottomans took the place. That city being named for Constantine the Great who made Christianity the state religion and banned paganism.

Let's say communism never happened in China, which religion do you think they would have? I wonder how different Christian china would be.

They would have fallen into the Judeo-Christian trap too. Every modernized Christian community eventually does. Hence why traditions are so important. A return to arranged marriage isn't optional.

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because history keeps getting intentionally muddled so we forget the lessons of the past and the people muddying it get to direct who we blame to obscure themselves in plain sight.

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wouldnt have a clue. i believe it was confucianism before which i know nothing about. lots of christians there tho.

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The two are symbiotic, western civilization as we know it couldn't have existed without Christianity. It permeates almost every aspect of our culture

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Were we successful because we were Christian? Or because we were White? Rome was specifically not Christian, and was the advanced wonder-culture of the ancient world, and that all came to an end when they became Christian.

Are there cultures who achieved what we did after becoming Christian? Mexico maybe? I don’t know enough about Mexico to know if they have any shining cultural examples that happened after they converted to Christianity, but I think that would be a strong argument if they did.

Personally I think the west was successful despite Christianity, not because of it.

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First: Christianity has had a profound effect on Western Civilization. But we eventually should get over it.

Second: The pre-Christian Greeks gave us science, architecture, philosophy, real medicine and attempts at fair governance. The church came along and shut all that shit down. Christianity gave us a thousand year Dark Age. WWJD? Not what Christianity did to us.

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Our constitution is based on both Gods and natural law... There are none of either left in our government. We are doomed as a country and a people.

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Christianity was built on western values using an admixture of jeswish and Aryan societies. Not the other way around.

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The Reformation definitely kindled the competitive spirit of the West. Colonialism wouldn't be as prevalent without it. Neither would technology be as advanced.

Even though Christians murdered and raped the original White religions and burned the original White religious books, it's not something Whites can just throw away 1200 years after being conquered by it.

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Id argue that in the absense of religion, philosophy would have taken over. Personally, I think philosophy would have probably carried us to better ends - back in the day even as far back as Socrates, he argued the wise, intelligent and competent should rule.

Instead, we have the "meek" ruling, and I think that's led to much of our modern degeneracy. Esp wrt concepts like equality.

So I think Christinity has had tremendous impact, but I think that impact would have naturally evolved otherwise. Possibly in a more robust way.

Perhaps if Socrates and those like him established power hierarchies as Christianity did, I wouldn't be looking at an advertisement consisting only of blacks despite how in real life I hardly ever see blacks.

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The Greeks and Roman pagans contributed far more. Philosophy, ethics, mathematics, medicine, the study of language, logic and rhetoric, astronomy, art, music, architecture... Pagans gave us that.

On the topic of music especially, Yes, it would sound the same, absolutely. Music theory was pioneered by the Pythagoreans (pagans). We still use the scales and ratios etc that they discovered. That's why the scales have ancient Greek names.

The Renaissance was the rediscovery of the knowledge of Pre-Christian Greece and Rome (though much remains lost) . The explosion in art, music, science and technology Christian Europe experienced is thanks to that rediscovery.

We'd be much more advanced if we never became Christian. Christianity set us back.

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