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Considering they only generate energy at about 30% of their rated capacity(1), and early electric vehicles(2) like tesla model S can have 100Kwh batteries already, can anyone do the math for the quantity of windmills needed for the volume of cars on the road?

(1) due to unstable winds, minimum start up speeds, maximum outsput caps, and high speed termination to save them breaking.

(2) by early electric vehicles, I mean as battery tech evolves past lithium ion to contain more electrical energy, this question will be even more unrealistic and retarded.

Considering they only generate energy at about 30% of their rated capacity(1), and early electric vehicles(2) like tesla model S can have 100Kwh batteries already, can anyone do the math for the quantity of windmills needed for the volume of cars on the road? (1) due to unstable winds, minimum start up speeds, maximum outsput caps, and high speed termination to save them breaking. (2) by early electric vehicles, I mean as battery tech evolves past lithium ion to contain more electrical energy, this question will be even more unrealistic and retarded.

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A mix of fossil fuels and nuclear energy will still be a good chunk of our electricity production for the next 100 years. The only way we can escape this dependency will be through a new major technological innovation.

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Thanks, but that wasn't the question I asked.

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Wind generation is retarded, they kill birds in troves indiscriminately, endangered or not. Solar, small wind (small enough for birds to be aware), small hydro, and geothermal are acceptable in my books. If we would launch nuclear waste to the sun, I would include nuclear. Nuclear is the least amount of land used for amount of energy output, not including waste of course.

Instead of worrying about it, just buy ample solar for yourself and let the rest of the world worry about itself. I plan on purchasing a few Smart Flowers and some batteries, and disconnect from the grid completely.

[–] • 3 pts

If we want to be green, we would be focusing on closing the border and deporting foreigners.

A population reduction would mean a reduction in emissions.

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Long ago there was a civil war in the environmental movement between those who wanted to focus on controlling population growth an immigration as a way of controlling pollution, and those who thought that was racist and wanted instead to pin their hopes on legislation and technology. You can tell who won.

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Thanks, but that wasn't the question I asked.

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I guess to answer your question, there will never be enough. They know this and are doing it intentionally.

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Yep. Thus my comment about destroying the grid. But OPs question is very strange. Why care about electric cars if they are destroying the grid. As that effects everyone and not just electric cars.

https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/352244/d90e1bb4-5c1e-4031-8c29-4901f54dd4d1#cmnts

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Your question and idea behind battery storage being the issue is flawed.

Let's say we ONLY use windmills. Ok fine.

Now let's see how much kwh an average windmill uses... a basic search gives us a rate of 400k kwh a month. Pets just be generous and round to 5 million kwh annually.

Now we have to figure out how many kwh an electric car uses to move 100 miles.... average is 30kwh for 100 miles.

Then finally let's find out how far America drives in a year... the quick search I just made gave me 3 trillion miles. So now for math...

3000000000000÷100=30,000,000,000

30,000,000,000x30=900,000,000,000

Thats the kwh needed to drive America. So...

900,000,000,000÷5,000,000=180,000.

We would need 180 thousand windmills.

Are you fuckin happy now? Do your own math next time nigger it ain't hard.

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Now let's see how much kwh an average windmill uses... a basic search gives us a rate of 400k kwh a month. Pets just be generous and round to 5 million kwh annually.

The average turbine size in the US is 2.43MW with an average capacity factor of 42%. That means, on average, each wind turbine in the US produces the equivalent of a little over 1 million watts. That's 8,940,456 kWh per year per turbine. Some more, some less.

Now we have to figure out how many kwh an electric car uses to move 100 miles.... average is 30kwh for 100 miles.

The EPA rating for electric cars is around 25 kWh per 100 miles, and many people get more than that. The fleet average is including heavy vehicle like buses and trucks, and is skewed because of the relatively high annual mileage of commercial vehicles.

Then finally let's find out how far America drives in a year... the quick search I just made gave me 3 trillion miles

In 2018, there were 1,404,507,000,000 passenger vehicle miles driven in the US.

So 1,404,507,000,000 miles requires 351,126,750,000 kWh, or 39,273 wind turbines. The US currently has about 67,000 wind turbines, so we'd need to increase it by 50%.

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Im not going to argue your number because I don't care about the question. I put in a search for each number set and popped in the first answer that came up into the equation. It took less than 5 minutes.

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because I don't care about the question.

So why even bother if you knew you'd be wrong because you don't care. What kind of retarded logic is that.

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Your question strikes me as odd as those are unrelated things. Wind and solar are both unreliable. Only someone seeking to destroy our power grid is pushing these technologies past 50% saturation. After 50% it will only ever increase energy costs and decrease reliability.

Only nuclear is green and reliable. Meaning nuclear, coal (radioactive waste), and NG are required for grid growth without a significant energy breakthrough. Ignoring that, electric cars will require grid expansion. But it's not a requirement to use wind or solar.

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all msm harp on about

completely related

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Please show me multiple articles where EV acceptance is entirely dependent upon wind and solar growth.

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Derail complete, I'll do the maths myself because apparently uk based businesses constantly pushing for more "green" energy and all car suppliers wanking each other off about their new electric vehicles has gone completely over your head.

If you're not going to bother then go be a jewfag somewhere else.

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endless, it takes 3 windmills to make 1 windmill. its a loss

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You cannot just add more wind turbines to increase capacity. The output is highly autocorrelated (it's generally windy or calm over a wide area at the same time), so adding more will exacerbate the intermittency problems. Not solve them.

The wind turbines would also need to produce enough power to offset the cost of their own production first too. Many don't even do that over their life times.

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With wind power, the problem is not so much power generation as it is power storage.

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OP is a kike niggerfaggot. Can't even do math but wants to shut down conversation. "Just shut up and do my math for me."

Fucking cuntbag whore.

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Ignore the question and move on then you fucking nigger

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Fuck you and your stupid thread. People can say whatever the fuck they want. Just because you make a post doesn't mean you are chief curator of content on said post. Go fuck yourself

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So can I you gimp.

Your mother should have swallowed you.

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I want a windmill with wheels to drive around.

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The answer is zero. I would rather deal with the affects of burning coal than to deal with the toxic waste of fiberglass and epoxy windmill blades.

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I think the best long term play for this is to invest in companies that are working on battery recycling tech. Honestly electric shit really is getting better and battery density is increasing, I do think that it will overtake internal combustion engines. (i'm a gearhead and honestly this isn't a bad thing, modern IC vehicles are waaaaaay to complex for the home mechanic anyway, pollution also really is a problem in major cites ie: go to Delhi sometime it's gross. ) Look IC vehicles will always be around but like for most uses an electric vehicle can also be really good, don't discount them just becuase faggy hippies use them to virtue signal. Cleanliness and forward thinking is the way of a civilized person. Plus classic cars will still be around for fun just like horses are for people today. As to the future of energy, I think solar has better legs than wind since its more limited value. Energy transmission advancements will also change which one is more relevant as well as things like the tesla super batteries that support a renewable grid.

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