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I'm not talking about conditions caused by chemical imbalances, neurostructural disorders or genetics. I am not saying that there isn't a place for modern medications. I am saying that they are being abused for profit. I have a theory that people are misguided by psychiatrists and get put on these pills that fuck them up worse then their mental illness. I find the statistic of [20% of adults have a mental illness](https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/reports/rpt29393/2019NSDUHFFRPDFWHTML/2019NSDUHFFR1PDFW090120.pdf) -- (PDF warning) very manipulated. I think there is a direct correlation with the 'rise' in mental illness and the amount of money they are generating big pharma companies. If you research how medicine has changed over time, physicians used to prescribe lifestyle changes and regiments along with treatments/medicine. In western (((medicine))) you are forced to see your general practitioner and then be prescribed to see a specialist. This specialist makes their money by having repeat business so they are looking to keep you coming back to the office as much as possible. What better way to do that then by giving out a medication the fucks your brain up, requires constant changing of dosage and is only available from them? It seems like a legal fucking racket. With the majority of mental illness being anxiety and depression, why are psychotherapy sessions not aimed at mindfulness/root cause training and coping stargates? I guess the obvious answer is that treatment isn't profitable but why doesn't anyone else realize this? Some of these clowns keep you mentally running in circles, foster a victim mentality and break you down worse than any abuser. The mental health industry is such a mess right now it disgusts me. As you can see I am clearly biased in the matter, so I would like others opinions as well. If you have good experiences with using these meds for depression, anxiety or BPD please share them so I can gain a better understanding of the other side. Thank you.

I'm not talking about conditions caused by chemical imbalances, neurostructural disorders or genetics. I am not saying that there isn't a place for modern medications. I am saying that they are being abused for profit.

I have a theory that people are misguided by psychiatrists and get put on these pills that fuck them up worse then their mental illness. I find the statistic of -- (PDF warning) very manipulated. I think there is a direct correlation with the 'rise' in mental illness and the amount of money they are generating big pharma companies.

If you research how medicine has changed over time, physicians used to prescribe lifestyle changes and regiments along with treatments/medicine. In western (((medicine))) you are forced to see your general practitioner and then be prescribed to see a specialist. This specialist makes their money by having repeat business so they are looking to keep you coming back to the office as much as possible. What better way to do that then by giving out a medication the fucks your brain up, requires constant changing of dosage and is only available from them? It seems like a legal fucking racket.

With the majority of mental illness being anxiety and depression, why are psychotherapy sessions not aimed at mindfulness/root cause training and coping stargates? I guess the obvious answer is that treatment isn't profitable but why doesn't anyone else realize this? Some of these clowns keep you mentally running in circles, foster a victim mentality and break you down worse than any abuser. The mental health industry is such a mess right now it disgusts me.

As you can see I am clearly biased in the matter, so I would like others opinions as well. If you have good experiences with using these meds for depression, anxiety or BPD please share them so I can gain a better understanding of the other side. Thank you.

Yes
No
Fuck you!
Fuck You!

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[–] • 3 pts

Good diet, sleep, and exercise will solve those problems. Anyone who says otherwise is a jew.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

Exercise makes you feel better. It does NOT solve the problems. The problems are pervasive and systemic. The only way you can avoid them is extreme asceticism.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

I can say from my own experience that majority of the time medications aren't necessary. I was diagnosed with "depression" and "bipolar disorder" but when I started living right and started having something to be proud of, I overcame it.

I tell people all the time, the best medicine for majority of mental disorders, like depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc is continuously doing something that makes you feel proud and makes you have a sense of self-worth. Lifestyle changes, like diet and exercise, are also major factors.

These kinds of mental sicknesses are usually only symptoms of a self-inflicted problem that can be gradually improved and made non-existent through self-discipline and good choices

Sometimes, it is very hard for people to get out of these situations until they get a little bit older and gain perspective. But it is not impossible for a teenager to overcome these things, they just often lack the kind of perspective necessary to fully ingrain new ways of thinking

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

they are all real, treating it is different for everyone.

[–] • 1 pt (edited )

It's like a rash. A mild one and you could change your behaviour, stop eating cheese, and it will heal. After which even small amounts of cheese can be tollerated as skin is back to healthy.

But if it's infected or an underlying immune system issue then you need to go to the docs.

I think a lot depends on if you have always been impaired rather than just impacted by more recent events.

[–] • 1 pt

I can only speak for children, but my answer is no. Bipolar children do not have the ability to calm themselves without medication. If it were not for medication, most of these kids would be in a mental institution or a juvenile detention facility...or worse, dead. Bipolar disorder is a fucking horrible thing. Drugs allow a child a semi-normal life that would otherwise be hell.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt (edited )

I'm sorry to hear your child suffers from that. Were they prescribed lithium? My main focus of skepticism are on the antidepressants and anti anxiety medications. I consider antipsychotic medication treatments in the classification of chemical imbalance or neurostructural issues.

If your child does take antidepressant or antianxiety meds -- are there noticeable improvements/benefits? From my experience the side effects seem to destroy the person and make them almost robotic. Have you tried teaching you child any non-medical coping techniques and strategies for manic/depressive episodes? Do any work?

[–] • 0 pt

Yes, it's lithium. It's also going to destroy his liver by the time he reaches 60...but I'm mostly concerned that he reaches 60. Without the lithium, he's a literal monster. Hateful, angry, venomous...scary as fuck tbh.

Every year for the past 6 years we have tried to change his medication over the holiday season (Thanksgiving through January). Every year we've done that has been a nightmare. He literally is capable of killing off his medication. On it, he's the sweetest child in the world. He loves animals, babies, smiles, is the most helpful and kind person in the world and he enjoys his life. His medication levels are low, so it's a fine balance of adding more as he grows, but all the signs are there when he's outgrown it...so no, he's never robotic...he was when we have tried other medications, but not the lithium.

My hope is we can get him to adulthood and he can find new ways to cope...but without his medications right now, I honestly do not think he would make it to 15.

It's a nightmare...it's sad. It's a horrible existence for him. My only goal is to help him grow into adulthood and pray he has learned enough at that point to succeed in medicating himself or finding an alternative that works for him.

He's my stepson. His father and father's family have severe bipolar disorder on their side of the family and they've all made it to adulthood, so there is hope for him. It's severe enough that it almost made me walk away from the situation entirely...but it's also a challenge that I know God gave me to deal with because he believes I can.

Bipolar disorder is fucked up...it can make the nicest person you could ever know, a fucking monster that you can't believe exists. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

[–] • 0 pt

Note to guys thinking of getting married and having children -- check the woman out for hereditary mental problems first. Two things you don't want, a pound dog, and a woman with a history of mental illness.

[–] • 0 pt

The problem with this is that they are on drugs for the rest of their life and if they miss their meds or they build up too big of a tolerance then sometimes they snap and shoot up a school or, if society is lucky, commit suicide without taking anyone else with them. And if they do make it through life then they get to breed and society now ends up with even more mentally unbalanced people.

Not all, but most of these behavioral issues can be treated with a good ass kicking by loving but responsible parents that want to raise good kids and not try to be their friends. Parents that run the house and make the decisions and not the kids.

I firmly believe 95-99% of people on these pharmaceuticals don't need to be.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

I agree basically with everything you say. However, I would say the actual amount of people that need medication is closer to 20%.

I really dislike the eugenics argument but nature is a fucking cunt and doesn't five a fuck about feelings. As our society becomes more medically advanced people who suffer form these diseases who would have died in the past are living longer and thus reproducing, creating more of them.

[–] • 1 pt

Ok, it might be a bit more than 2-5% but I wouldn't go higher then your 20% definitely. I do firmly believe that, as the tile suggests, meditation, mindfulness, even some good therapy can cure most issues.

Yeah, nature, or life, really does suck and is quite uncaring. The religious will claim this is our test or we are in purgatory or something like that. Me, I think it is simply just probabilities.

[–] • 1 pt

I used to think the same thing...it's just bad parenting, but that simply isn't the case. This is a mental disorder, not behavioral. And you misunderstand this type of child...there are no friends. They can't maintain friendships and they are considered "odd" by the rest of the school.

[–] • 1 pt

With a lot of kids it is bad parenting. And sometimes even good parents that just didn't make sure their children grew up from a young age playing and socializing with others their age as well as adults. They are odd because they were raised by a TV. They are odd because they never learned how to socialize the traditional ways. They are odd because their only interactions are with their single mother, for example.

Not all of course. Some it is a serious brain chemical imbalance.

[–] • 1 pt

Everyone is crazy. If you think someone is not, move in with them, you’ll see. It’s compounded by living in a society completely out of sync with natural order. Lots of people are naturally genetic addicts living as dry drunks too.

Modern psychiatry is a complete joke, based on lies and false theories, and is filled with drug pushers. Keep that in mind when you decide to take a dangerous drug every day. Practice controlling your thoughts.

[–] • 1 pt

I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't take marijuana or any other illegal drug. I don't take perscription drugs, with one exception. And I only take that one because it is absolutely necessary for my survival. I feel great, most of the time. I have the body of someone at least 20 years younger than my real age. I pity the kids put on ritalin or adderall at an early age. They are well and truly fucked.

[–] • 0 pt

The molecule for Ritalin and the molecule for crystal meth are only slightly different. Irreparable damage is being done to children that take Ritalin.

[–] • 0 pt

A certain of level of intelligence is also needed. So many lack the ability to think abstractly or use any amount of imagination it makes it difficult to look at any situation objectively.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Don't you think that even those with low intelligence can learn to think abstractly with proper guidance?

I remember a quote from somewhere that went like there are three kinds of people --- those who see, those who see when they are shown and those who do not see. I would like to think that the quote applies directly with the IQ bell curve and that the majority of people can see.

[–] • 0 pt

Retarded people -- those with an IQ below 85 -- can only learn so much. They are simply not capable of the behaviors of those with greater intelligence. Their stupidity affects the way they perceive the world and their place in it. One consequence of low IQ is that those who suffer from it believe that they know more than other people. It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They will refuse to change their behaviors because they believe they are wiser than their teachers.

Look at Africa. There is a reason black Africa has always been such a depressed hellhole. It's the IQ level of black Africans. They can't learn, and they won't be taught. They are incapable of functioning at our level, as a race (of course there are a small number of exceptions). But when you are talking civilization, it is race that matters, not individuals. The low IQ mass drags the geniuses down to their level. Case in point -- niggers in Africa destroying solar energy farms to steal the copper.

[–] • 0 pt

Depression and anxiety are natural conditions of life. You don't treat them, you endure them until they go away. And you do what you need to do to make them go away. Mental illness is something else entirely. Chemical treatments can sometimes help. Meditation and the "talking cure" are next to worthless.

[–] • 0 pt

"I am not this body" "I am not this mind"

Repeat every night, all your problems will be solved.

Now dont go to the doctor and instead pay me. Your welcome.

For anyone over the age of 18 still struggling*

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

I have been a practitioner of Zen for many years. One of the teachings is to disregard any attachments or preconceptions. I have a hard time empathizing with people who suffer from these issues so I am trying to gain a better understanding from those who use these meds.

I stand firm with the belief that a strong and healthy mind requires diligence and work; Just like a healthy and strong body. I think that meditation and mindfulness can help improve the mental health of everyone.

I am not saying it is the cure all, because there are those with true medical conditions due to chemical imbalance or the way their brain developed due to genetics. But it can help them if they really want to help themselves improve and maybe become less reliant on the meds.

[–] • 0 pt

100% agree.

You get some bloody internet points!

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

At some point, with some mental illnesses medication is necessary. Otherwise it would be like trying to treat a broken leg through mindfulness.