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A $12 common board 6-8 months ago is now $55 +....

What the fuck?

A $12 common board 6-8 months ago is now $55 +.... What the fuck?

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[–] 18 pts (edited )

Everyone started canceling building orders last spring when lockdowns started. Mills started scaling back. And then the box stores started selling lumber for home improvement and homeowner projects at an unprecedented rate. And then home building came back online as people fled urban areas. Supply lagged behind a little.

Mills are taking advantage of every excuse they can with muh COVID to keep production low so they can keep charging record rates for lumber. I work on the log supply side of forestry and while delivered log prices have risen somewhat, they are not anywhere near in line with what mills are now charging for their products. They're posting record profits each quarter and very little of that value is making its way through to log suppliers, loggers, truckers, or private forestland owners. They've had a year to figure out their faux production woes and patience throughout the rest of the industry is wearing thin. I'd imagine other sectors of the homebuilding industry are in a similar situation.

There is also a general shortage of loggers and truckers in many regions. Those sectors of forestry have not recovered from the spotted owl / NEPA fuckery and the 2008 recession and they probably never will. Mills have virtual monopolies in most places and can dictate prices at will. Loggers barely squeak by when prices are lower and since they're not getting a piece of the market when it's hot, there's very little incentive to invest in more equipment or add crews.

Also, hyperinflation from printing trillions of dollars.

[–] 5 pts

This makes sense. Here in Fl there is a decent timber industry but I am guessing it is peanuts compared to the Northwest. Therefore dependent on out of state production and the transportation of the commodity...

The quote for a board on board fence for our little back yard @.1.5 years ago was something like $3000, including 2 double gates. Just had a quote for the same thing with 1 single gate for around $8,000. Fucking vinyl is cheaper now, around $6500...

[–] 3 pts

The northwest is still the biggest player for structural lumber but the southeast has a shitload of pine plantations coming online. Still probably not going to be able to compete with NW Doug-fir / larch for structural qualities but it's going to be a growing industry in the south moving forward. Assuming everything doesn't fall apart in the meantime lol.

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Also, hyperinflation from printing trillions of dollars.

Gotta get your assets outta USD.

[–] 0 pt

I wonder if something similar is happening with ammo

[–] 0 pt

Yes and no. Remington essentially stopped production right at the beginning of last March. They are now back online and pumping out ammo.

It’s also the scalpers (which can go fuck themselves) that are making it even worse.

I do think that it will probably balance a bit this year but it won’t ever come back down to 18c 9mm

[–] 0 pt

The mill owners are claiming they can't hire enough workers and don't want to raise wages because the demand is temporary.

Sounds fishy to me. After a year of constant demand, the mills should be able to increase supply and reap more profits, even if they hire temporary workers. Perhaps shipping is also a limiting factor.

The general uncertainty about the economy is probably the main factor which leads to inefficiencies in manufacturing.

[–] 9 pts

Could be a sign of inflation to come across the board!

40% of the worlds money supply was printed in 2020!

That inflation will show up at some point.

[–] 3 pts

That makes me want to puke.

[–] 1 pt

'Across the board' - I see what you did there! 😁

[–] 5 pts

Everything is worth exactly what some retard will pay for it.

[–] 2 pts

Some retards have a fucking fence that was damaged by storms and have to fix it because we have little dogs and coyotes in our neighborhood. And because I live in a fucking semi blue coastal county, I can’t do a damned thing about the coyotes other than call animal control- over and over and over and over and over....

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You can - you just do it and don't tell anyone you're doing it.

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Traps? What traps? All my traps were lost in a boating accident.

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You have coyotes? I have ants (trying) to invade my house.

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Repurpose old wood? Find pallets? There are lots of options, especially when it isn't structural wood.

[–] 4 pts

Most lumber comes from inter mountain west. 30 years ago it would have come from Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. Then the spotted owl scam shut down US lumber production. Coincidentally, at that same time the US and Canada signed NAFTA, and apparently spotted owls respect international borders, because at the signing most lumber was imported from British Columbia. When Trump came to power he renegotiated NAFTA, but forgot to keep importing BC lumber, and also didn’t exempt US lumber producers like Boise Cascade from further onerous NEPA compliance.

TL;DR: blame trump and Canadians for stupidity.

[–] 3 pts

NAFTA was renegotiated a few years ago. This happened beginning in the fall of 2020 as far as I know. Politics are involved for sure, but I’m assuming collusion between the mills and suppliers are more of a factor. I can’t get normal plywood reasonably... I gave up trying to get marine grade for my work... it’s damned near as cheap to use Coosa board for the marine trade...

[–] [deleted] 3 pts

It's easy... create pent up demand by shutting down everything, all lumber sources quickly deplete when things open back up, price gouging becomes rampant... profit!

[–] 2 pts

Did canada increase their price with a new pres who won't say no? Housing market is gunna go crazy then bubble will pop. Stack cash and wait to invest in real estate. Lots of people bout to do from vaccine shots too. It's gunna be free real estate.

[–] 2 pts

Oy vey, who needs to work to fix things, that's tiresome and selfish. With all of your the free money we stole are so generously giving you you should buy the new Niggertron 9000 TV for all of those indoctrination educational shows for our chattel your children. Why did you not think of the children goy fellow white person?

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Drywall and mud, insulation, fastners and pipe all on allocations with no relief in sight either.

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9.66 for a 2x4x8 kd, 1/2 CDF plywood 88.00, 3/4 Advandtec 68.00. Just for starters. And going up daily with no end in sight.

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Where the fuck is that? I’ll check prices where I am in CA. I don’t buy much lumber anymore, but I’ll check and report back.

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Northeast.

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Ok. $10 for 2x4x8 kid is nuts.

[–] 1 pt

Lumber prices over the last year up over 300%... timber prices up 20%. Somebody gouging the hell out of people needing new housing.

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  • Less lumberjacks/sawmill workers working

  • Massive restructuring of the economy. Offices are empty, people are building home offices

  • Construction playing catchup for all the work missed during the initial phase of lockdowns

  • Rebuilding from the riots has to play a part

  • White flight: More homes needed outside cities

  • Inflation: Expect everything to get more expensive

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