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I thought they came down on anything that's not their centralized banking.

I thought they came down on anything that's not their centralized banking.

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the majority of the bitcoin network is owned by china because they've been pouring tons of resources into being the biggest share of the miners

it's a wonder why Elong Musk (((suddenly))) decided to buy up $1.5 billion in bitcoin. Gives china additional control over the bitcoin network, because china owns Elong.

edit: if you're looking for proof, just look into the "gigafactory" Tesla built in Shanghai with a generous business loan from the CCP of -- well wouldn't you know -- $1.5 billion!

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Most of you won't like this because it goes against your fucking savior that is crypto: but bitcoin is controlled by the same jews that control banking. Crypto was devised in the 70s by the CIA. I truly wish I could find the CIA docs on this. In the end ANY digital currency is insanely retarded. You are willingly allowing your life to be COMPLETELY turned off at someone else's will. We all know who that someone else will be. This coupled with jew-controlled-oppo Niggress Owens' social credit push will mean further terrible things if this were to come to be. Also it's completely fiat.

dollar bad because it's fiat!!! crypto good because ... silence

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while I don't disagree on the stupidity of crypto over fiat, I argue fiat currencies are no better than crypto.

the fact you can print fiat currency renders its use as a medium of exchange arbitrary. it's only worth anything because you and I agree it is, not because it has some measure of immutable worth.

the reason for currency standards being (in the past) based on precious metals was to ensure that only a limited supply of "money" existed at any given time, and the basis for that money could not be so arbitrarily produced (you have to fund alot of paychecks to mine more metals).

Crypto reintroduces the immutable aspect of a real currency. The problem is, it's ony immutable if no one group holds a majority share of the network. That is its flaw, and it renders the situation to be much like that of fiat currencies. Owned by ((( the juice. )))

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part 2

Second reply not edit because this is important;

Think about work. Think about the idea of work. Work hasn't happened yet. Work being used to back currency is also fiat. It's just an idea. A promise. Work that backs currency hasn't happened yet. (think about it, work has happened which created value but past work is this etheral and disappearing thing that is exhausted quickly). So what did Hitler do to make sure work existed as a continuous thing? He created government projects for citizens to do which MADE work which actually, literally, truly is VALUE. Few things hold that to be true as well. Property does. Guns do :) Materials do. Oddly specifically those of little preciousness (with regards to true scarcity). Like oil, water, food...

This is why fiat based on work is the ONLY way to back a currency. As it turns currency into a meaningful representation of the most natural form of "currency" exchange ever. That being a bartering system. Work backed currency turns;

I will mow your lawn for a month and water your garden for that month for a week's worth of potatoes.

Into;

I will give you this work backed currency (literally work) for a week's worth of potatoes.

It's far easier to understand and accomplish.

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part 1

I argue fiat currencies are no better than crypto.

X is no better than X

What backs the value of crypto? Oh right, it's also a fiat currency. Guess I didn't make that clear enough.

The immutability of a currency is irrelevant to control as I think you're pointing out. It's like gold. It's not 1493 anymore. Gold's value is just as fiat as the dollars. The VAST majority of gold that's ever been mined is sitting in warehouses never to see human possession ever. This is why Hitler backed the German currency and economy on work. Which is also "just an idea" as it's not yet happened. But it will happen, is immutable, is uncontrollable, and holds value regardless of any other attribute.

In the end I don't think it's feasible to back currencies with any physical and precious object. They're all mined to exhaustion or if not are necessary for things which would make the object unsuitable as a currency backer.

e: On precious items to back currency; Where do diamonds get their value? They get their value from a 1940s or something DeBeers (I think) idea of "2 months salary for your love goyim!" Harder materials (MOL hardness scale) can be created in the lab. There are rarer, more beatiful, and actually more valuable stones that exist. Most colored gems of high quality are but diamonds have this (((magical))) advertisement based value.

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There are crypto credit cards now. Also I saw a video that suggested that Elon bought all that coin so that he can use it as a tax write off when it crashes because it will show a loss for the Tesla.

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Why would you buy bitcoin knowing it would crash so you can do a write off. He could spend 1.5 billion on popsicles and fridges for tesla offices and it would still be 100% wrote off.

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It's only a loss if he sells at a loss.

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Apes strong together. Stonks and tenddies!

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The fact that they havent makes me extremely suspicious. I think a lot of folks that fancy themselves as smart will be shitting their pants soon.

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They probably can't do shit about it.

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I think theyll figure out a slimy way to fuck it over. Thats what they do, they fuck shit up while contributing nothing. I think theres a lot of people out there thinkinh theyre smart by investing in bitcoin, that will be hating life soon. We will see, i could easily be wrong.

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Better Bitcoin than USD.

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What are you talking about, "CIRCLE" bought poloniex, coinbase is kiked, much crypto has already been kiked. It did not start out that way though.

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Because it was a flawed protocol since the beginning: you can buy it with fiat = you can print fiat to buy it. So the same gangsters who print money simply have to buy Bitcoin with their printed money. And so, the same gangsters prevail.

There are some interesting developments apart of the technology that could be modelled in a better 'currency' but the bigger problem is people's belief in currency itself; the other main flaw is that Bitcoin is a (((currency))).

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So all currency is shit because you can exchange counterfeit currency for it.

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When they print currency to buy BTC, BTC's price in currency goes up.

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so they can keep printing money to buy it on the way up too.

what is a currency they cant print, cant control, cant influence, cant manipulate?

no currency.

therefore, the answer is in not using currency.

that doesn't mean not being innovative. Or not having nice things (within reason). Not living the good life. But does require us to think dramatically different about how we engage in day to day society - which has been molded on the idol of money.

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Definitely part of the answer is to hold minimal currency and spend it quickly when you get paid for something, and hold your wealth in assets and other things not denominated in currency.

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When the dollar is destroyed and America bitcoin will be able to be sent over to other countries and turned into their currency with almost no fees crypto is how jews will suck America dry then leave and start again

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All you seem to have no technical understanding of the Bitcoin protocol. Nobody really owns it, nobody really can control it, --although if you were able to take over 50% or more of all the miners you theoretically might. Most of it has already been mined, but there is still a small portion yet to come, it just gets more and more difficult as time goes on. Exchanges and funds that buy and sell it can be regulated, but not the actual coin, it is self-regulating. Also though, contrary to some popular belief, it is traceable from transaction to transaction.

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Then this is the exact reason the joos aren't all-in.

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It's their bitch and part of the great reset.

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If shitcoin undermined the fiat currency, debt slavery and world banks it would be gone tomorrow. I don't believe the origin story, they always tell us some whiz kid made up new tech (zuckerberg, gates etc) but really it was a secret DARPA project. No clue about shitcoin, but the fact that faceberg and windows were made by DARPA is well known. They have some character playing a figurehead role

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AXA who owns blockstream took over the bitcoin protocol in 2015. They have owned it this whole time all you fucking retards.

Early BTC users who wanted to change the world with Satoshi moved to BSV in 2018.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

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Fucking with Bitcoin is impossible and simple common sense would tell you that if it were possible it would've been done already.

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Correct. A voice of reason in an insane world. Never forget that quantum computers exist and have existed since ... well... the same time BTC came out actually! Funny that?! (Dwave machine w/Jordie Rose) Check out its dates relative to btc.

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I won't be holding my breath.

because whoever has the most capital to invest in bitcoin holds the best long-term prospect. i refer to mining efforts not buying and selling.

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All the Bitcoin has been mined already, miners only handle transactions now. The only way to invest in Bitcoin is by actually buying it.

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Incorrect. It should all be mined out by 2042 or so. Thing about mining is that BTC is proof of work which means it requires an ever-increasing pool of computation and energy. Imagine what happens to the chip makers in 2036 or who when everyone figures out that their exponentially-growing customer is going to die. When the last blocks are mined though BTC will be a fixed number.

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Imagine what happens to the chip makers in 2036 or who when everyone figures out that their exponentially-growing customer is going to die

Mining will continue since it's needed to hash the transactions, and they'll get paid on fees. Which will likely be big.

Question is if many will even be transacting on the first layer at that point anymore... Most will just be holding and leveraging it.

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Miners collect transaction fees. It's still profitable to mine and will remain so or Bitcoin is dead. You need to compete on tech and electricity prices though. Other coins are still profitable to mine on a CPU and at higher KWh prices, since where KWh is really cheap, ASICS will be mining Bitcoin. In the future I'd expect Bitcoin to have a normalizing effect on $/KWh and therefore tech will be deciding. If you want to mine on a home CPU, you can mine e.g. Monero and still be profitable.

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That's what I was implying when I said they only handle transactions now. I guess if I have to explain that all the Bitcoin has been mined I'd have to specify miners don't handle transactions for free.

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Having electronic money is perfect for them. When cash no longer exists all they have to do to kill you is shut off your bank card. You won’t be able to buy or sell anything and you will inevitably die.

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It doesn't work that way. You would have to block a person's access to the internet. If that happened the person could simply have a trusted friend/family member sit at the terminal for them. It can accurately be viewed as a currency you hold in your mind. Those with weak minds will lose that shit through various ways. Those who have sound creative minds will not only keep their assets but they will grow them precipitously. Not only against the dollar but against all other assets as well. Those who have no crypto at all will be slaves. Forced to sell their time/resources/DNA/privacy/etc. to live. Sad to say but that is where we are going... Hell, we are there NOW. Most folks just haven't realized it.

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You can't do that to a decentralized currency.

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You can’t until the government decides you can and uses their backdoors to block you out.

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The crypto will always be attached to my wallet.

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