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It's been a fucking year, surely the manufacturers would have caught up by now? Or someone new could have entered the market?

It's now more than a dollar a round. What the actual fuck? This is not normal.

You don't need to ban guns if no one can afford ammo to practice.

It's been a fucking year, surely the manufacturers would have caught up by now? Or someone new could have entered the market? It's now more than a dollar a round. What the actual fuck? This is not normal. You don't need to ban guns if no one can afford ammo to practice.

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The amount of new gun owners in the last two years has skyrocketed. At the same time it’s become harder for the gun industry to garner loans to expand their product lines. It is as if the government is infringing on the 2nd amendment by allowing banks to discriminate against legal businesses. Cutting their lines of credit, not granting loans, etc. Lets say you’re an ammo manufacturer and you produce 10 million rounds a month of a certain caliber. You are now receiving orders for 3 times that much each month. Well, get a loan to cover the cost of machinery to expand your production line to manufacture 30 million rounds, you have a business plan that shows you will sell that many rounds and more and pay off the with interest in a short time. But no (((bank))) will cover the loan. Thanks Obama.

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Yeah I don’t buy that story. Because then any enterprising capitalist would be producing record amounts by now. I have no evidence of this at all, but it feels like there is some kind of collusion going on. Seriously, bullets aren’t difficult to make. Why aren’t there deals from Alibaba (or Chinese factories in general) for 0.25c a round?

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Because then any enterprising capitalist would be producing record amounts by now

That's assuming we operate under something even remotely resembling free-enterprise capitalism. But we don't.

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bullets aren’t difficult to make

Raw materials have been in pretty short supply, and the machines are expensive and long lead time.

Also, 18 months ago, manufactures were furloughing people with machines sitting idle and warehouses full of product they were selling at a discount. They aren't in a rush to spend a bunch of money on machines that will be sitting idle the next time we elect a non-stepper president

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Ammo imports from China have been illegal for 30 years.

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It’s insidious at all levels, I have seriously considered going into reloading for myself and trade calibers with other reloaders. But components like the primers are just as short as manufactured ammo. I guess we are headed to home primer manufacturing next. Followed shortly by collecting pee buckets to make our own saltpeter.

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you wont be able to get primers

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So why aren't we setting up something based on the concept of crowdsouring loans? I can't think of a firearm owner that wouldn't be down to invest in some additional manufacturing capacity.

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What if the local government won’t grant you a local business license? (And courts support it?)

What if they charge you a tax you can’t afford and stay in business. (And courts support it?)

What if they just sue you with frivolous lawsuits they can’t win, but it doesn’t matter because they have deep pockets? (And courts support it?)

What if they force the crowdsourcing site to cancel your account? (And courts support it?)

Should I go on? These are all tactics our current government allows.

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There are plenty of places that will be happy to have such a facility.

If someone sets up crowdfunding that isn't stupid enough to use jewy infrastructure they'll be ok.

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An organization that crowdsources loans and pays out profits to those providing the capital for those loans is called a bank. That's a tightly sealed group of people colluding to keep others from doing just what you suggest.

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They also don't know if the increased demand is temporary.

Say you borrow $20 mill, build the new plant, and next year demand returns to normal. Now what you have is an unpaid loan and ammo you can't sell. So that's why they don't build the new capacity. The default play is to run the existing equipment on overtime, hire some new workers, start a third shift, etc, streamline your production. You can usually double your normal output with your existing capital equipment. You don't build the new plant as long as possible.

There were riots, so gun sales are up. People buy guns when they feel threatened. They had riots in the 1970's too. Bombings, etc. Revolution Vietnam love you long time. But then things calmed back down. Life sort of returned to normal under Reagan, and boom times under Clinton.

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jews.

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Always the short answer...

problem = jews

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Legitimate? If you mean, is the shortage due to unusual high demand as opposed to a concerted effort to cause an ammo shortage. The answer is both. The WuFlu was engineered to bring down the economy due to corruption and theft. Bringing down the economy is partially to blame, the Wuhan virus is partially to blame due to logistical problems. On top of all of that, they are after our guns. This is causing an unnatural increase in demand. People see the appointment of Xiden as a threat to the second amendment. People are buying guns at a rate never experienced before. This in turn is causing a supply problem for ammo.

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Seems to be a few, or several different dynamics in play simultaneously. I feel for you guys; I do not share your problem, my guns were all lost. Boating accident.

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Its coming back a little from what i can tell. Ive been fortunate to get some .223/5.56 but some calibers are worse than others.

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You got some for what price? That's the OP's point. Ammo that was $0.30 in January 2020 is now $1.00. That's 300% inflation. It's not the cost of materials since you can still buy all the materials needed for reloading at $0.40 per round, and that's at retail prices.

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In all fairness, I suspect the high volume of this market is just showing the inflation that is coming to everything else. More people had more cash to blow. That influx of cash means each of the markets for items has to settle at a new supply and demand balance. Since the turnover on stock is fast, the manufacturing is quick and the base materials are simple compounds, I expect that the market is just finding its balance quicker. It is one of the few markets that the (((pandemic))) did not decrease volume in.

As more people work from home, less gasoline is used, creating downward pressure on the price. As checks are passed out like candy, you have upward pressure on the price. They seem to mostly balance out. Once demand returns to normal, we will see a rapid price increase. We are currently seeing significant inflation in car markets, electronics, and food right now, for example. It varies from market to market, but it takes about 9-18 months for inflation to catch up to an increase in money supply or a disruption in logistics at the beginning of most chains. Our manufacture and sales operate over the year, in most cases, so it isn't typically felt immediately.

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Depends. Youre right i did over pay a little but was able to get a box of .223 150 box for 80 bucks sooooo 53 cents. Still high but i just built my ar and was desperate for some ammo.

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Right now I'd buy a couple cases at 53 cents. I'm only seeing $0.90+. It's completely ended range days for the last year. I've only shot about 50 rounds since last March. Just enough to make sure a new build is working OK and sighted in.

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One reason is because of primers. Primers are simple to make, but cost prohibitive to get into making. They are made with explosives, so all sorts of permitting, licensing, facility requirements, etc is very expensive. For the most part, bullet manufacturers rely on just a handful of the larger companies to produce primers. If they themselves were to make primers, it would take to long to become profitable, so most just opt to buy. The shortage will eventually ease up, so I don't think any company wants to take the risk of making a small profit now to get into primers, just so they see that investment sink them later.

The demand exceeded the manufacturing rate by several fold, and ate up what little reserves there were. Now the companies that make primers are making bullets as fast as the primers are coming out, leaving non to be sold. That is why the smaller bullet manufacturers are not producing anything right now.

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Yeah this makes sense. Appreciate it.

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Is anything legitimate in clown-world timeline?!

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The whole supply chain is screwed man. Even if someone wants to increase capacity, and has the money to spend, every single piece of production from the primers to the presses has a lead time.

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No shortages are 'legitimate'.

They're all manufactured crisis as a way of keeping the ignorant scared and to jack up prices of goods and services. That's how communism works.

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FWIW a friend in the industry says they have been at full production for a year. A large amount is going to non-gov sales, meaning overseas. Calibers produced in limited runs yearly (300 Sav, 7x57) are put off to allow more production of the big sellers. Similar to 2013 if you go back that far.

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